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Autoliv (ALV) Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Date

Friday, Oct. 17, 2025, at 8 a.m. ET

Call participants

  • President & Chief Executive Officer — Mikael Bratt
  • Chief Financial Officer — Fredrik Westin
  • Vice President, Investor Relations — Anders Trapp

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Risks

  • Regional Production Mix — Adjusted operating margin was negatively impacted by a 20 basis point dilution in Q3 2025, due to not-yet-recovered tariffs and the partial recovery of tariff compensations.
  • Engineering Income Decline — “We expect higher depreciation costs due to new manufacturing capacity to meet demand in the key regions, and that the temporary decline in engineering income will persist, driven by the timing of specific customer development projects,” said CEO Mikael Bratt.
  • European OEM Production Stoppages — “We continue to see downside risks for Europe’s light vehicle production, driven by announced production stoppage at several key customers,” explained Bratt.

Takeaways

  • Net Sales — $2.7 billion, up 6% year-over-year, with organic sales growth of 4% excluding currency effects and including tariff compensation.
  • Adjusted Operating Income — $271 million, up 14% year-over-year, with a 10.0% adjusted operating margin, 70 basis points above last year.
  • Gross Margin — 19.3%, an increase of 130 basis points year-over-year, primarily driven by improved direct labor efficiency, headcount reductions, and supplier compensation.
  • Operating Cash Flow — $258 million in operating cash flow, representing a 46% increase, supported by higher net income and a net $53 million negative impact from working capital.
  • Free Operating Cash Flow — $153 million in Q3 2025 compared to $32 million in Q3 2024, due to higher operating cash flow and a $40 million reduction in net capital expenditures.
  • Adjusted EPS — Diluted adjusted earnings per share increased 26% or $0.48, mainly from $0.29 higher operating income, $0.09 taxes, and $0.08 lower share count.
  • Shareholder Returns — Dividend raised to $0.85 per share; $100 million in share repurchases completed, with 0.8 million shares retired.
  • China Performance — Sales to Chinese domestic OEMs grew by nearly 23%, outpacing their light vehicle production growth by 8%.
  • India Performance — India contributed one-third of global organic growth, now representing 5% of total sales, with content per vehicle rising from $120 in 2024 to $140 in 2025.
  • Tariff Compensation — 75% of tariff costs recovered; remainder expected to be compensated by year-end.
  • Capital Expenditures — CapEx net was 3.9% of sales, down from 5.7% in Q3 2024, with company guidance now at 4.5% for the full year 2025.
  • Leverage Ratio — Net leverage at 1.3 times, maintained below the 1.5 times target.
  • Strategic Initiatives — New second R&D center in China, partnership with CATARC, and a joint venture with HSAE to produce advanced safety electronics announced.
  • Outlook and Guidance — Organic sales projected to increase by ~3% and adjusted operating margin expected at 10%-10.5% for full-year 2025; operating cash flow guidance of ~$1.2 billion; tax rate forecasted at ~28%.

Summary

Autoliv (ALV -2.72%) delivered record net sales and adjusted operating income in Q3 2025, reflecting successful execution of efficiency initiatives. Management confirmed transactions to deepen presence in China and cited the joint venture with HSAE as an entry into advanced automotive safety electronics. Working capital increased by $197 million in Q3 2025 compared to Q3 2024, mainly due to higher accounts receivable from strong sales and delayed tariff reimbursements, which management described as temporary effects. The company achieved a 94% coil-off accuracy rate in Q3 2025, highlighting this improvement as a significant contributor to its operational targets. Light vehicle production outperformed the market, driven by strong organic momentum in India and among Chinese OEMs, although negative regional and customer mixes offset some gains in Q3 2025.

  • Chief Financial Officer Fredrik Westin said, “The $50 million there is a one-time, and it is compensation from a supplier for historical costs that we had versus our customers there. It is one time in the quarter here, for previous costs that we have had.”
  • Management noted, “we expect to be in the middle of the range” for full-year 2025 adjusted operating margin guidance, after citing headwinds from lower out-of-period inflation compensation, higher depreciation, and temporary engineering income declines heading into the fourth quarter.
  • CEO Mikael Bratt stated, “Expanding in China is key to strengthening Autoliv’s innovation, global competitiveness, and long-term growth,” underlining China as a principal driver of strategy and resource allocation.
  • The shift toward normalized capital expenditures follows the completion of large-scale, multi-region footprint investments over recent years, enabling lower capital intensity moving forward.

Industry glossary

  • Coil-off Accuracy: Percentage metric tracking adherence of parts inventory depletion to schedule, reflecting production planning effectiveness and supply chain reliability.
  • OEM: Original Equipment Manufacturer; refers here to carmakers that buy Autoliv’s safety products for installation in new vehicles.
  • ECU: Electronic Control Unit, a core component in automotive electronics, governing safety features like active seatbelts and detection systems.
  • RD&E: Research, Development & Engineering expenses, comprising spending on new products, process improvement, and engineering-driven customer projects.
  • CapEx: Capital expenditures, defined as spending on property, plant, and equipment.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Operator: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Autoliv, Inc. third quarter 2025 financial results conference call and webcast. (Operator Instructions) Please note that today’s conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your first speaker, Anders Trapp, Vice President of Investor Relations.

Please go ahead.

Anders Trapp: Thank you, Lars. Welcome, everyone, to our third quarter 2025 earnings call. On this call, we have our President and Chief Executive Officer, Mikael Bratt; our Chief Financial Officer, Fredrik Westin; and me Anders Trapp, VP, Investor Relations. During today’s earnings call, we will highlight several key areas, including our record-breaking third quarter sales and earnings, as well as our continued strategic investments to drive long-term success with Chinese OEMs. We also provide an update on market developments and the evolving tariff landscape impacting the automotive industry.

Finally, our robust balance sheet and strong asset returns reinforce our financial resilience and support sustained high levels of shareholder returns. Following the presentation, we will be available to answer your questions. And as usual, the slides are available at autoliv.com.

Turning to the next slide, we have the Safe Harbor Statement, which is an integrated part of this presentation and includes the Q&A that follows. During the presentation, we will reference some non-U.S. GAAP measures. The reconciliations of historical U.S. GAAP and non-U.S. GAAP measures are disclosed in our quarterly earnings release available on autoliv.com and in the 10-Q that will be filed with the SEC or at the end of this presentation. Lastly, I should mention that this call is intended to conclude with a reach CET, so please wait for your questions in person. I now hand it over to our CEO, Mikael Bratt.

Mikael Bratt: Thank you, Anders. Looking on the next slide, I am pleased to share yet another record-breaking quarter, underscoring our strong market position. This success is a testament to the strength of our customer relationships and our commitment to continuous improvement as we navigate the complexities of tariffs and other challenging economic factors. We saw a significant sales growth driven by higher-than-expected light vehicle production across multiple regions, especially in China and North America. Our high growth in India continues, accounting for one-third of our global organic growth. I am pleased to highlight that our sales growth with Chinese OEMs has returned to outperformance, driven by recent product launches and encouraging development.

Looking ahead, we anticipate to significantly outperform light vehicle production in China during the fourth quarter. We improved our operating profit and operating margin compared to a year ago. This strong performance was primarily driven by well-executed activities to improve efficiency, higher sales, and a supplier compensation for an earlier recall. We successfully recovered approximately 75% of the tariff costs incurred during the third quarter and expect to recover most of the remaining portions of existing tariffs later this year. The combination of not-yet-recovered tariffs and the dilutive effects of the recovered portion resulted in a negative impact of approximately 20 basis points on our operating margin in the quarter.

We also achieved record earnings per share for the third quarter. Over the past five years, we have more than tripled our earnings per share, mainly driven by strong net profit growth but also supported by a reduced share count. Our cash flow remained robust despite higher receivables driven by higher sales and tariff compensations later in the quarter. Our solid performance, combined with a healthy debt level ratio, supports continuous strong shareholder returns. We remain committed to our ambition of achieving $300 to $500 million annual in stock repurchases, as outlined during our Capital Markets Day in June.

Additionally, we have increased our quarter dividend to $0.85 per share, reflecting our confidence in our continued financial strength and long-term value creation. Expanding in China is key to strengthening Autoliv’s innovation, global competitiveness, and long-term growth. To support our growing partnerships with Chinese OEMs, we are investing in a second R&D center in China. In October, we announced a new important collaboration in China, as illustrated on the next slide. We have signed a strategic agreement with CATARC, the leading research institution setting standards in the Chinese automotive sector. This partnership marks a new chapter in our commitment to shaping the future of automotive safety.

Together with CATARC, we aim to define the next generation of safety standards and enhance the safety on the roads in China and globally. We are also broadening our reach in automotive safety electronics, as shown on the next slide. We recently announced our plans to form a joint venture with HSAE, a leading Chinese automotive electronics developer, to develop and manufacture advanced safety electronics. The joint venture will concentrate on high-growth areas in advanced safety electronics, including ECUs for active seatbelts, hands-on detection systems for steering wheels, and the development and production of steering wheel switches.

Through this new joint venture, we intend to capture more value from steering wheels and active seatbelts while minimizing CapEx and competence expansions, enabling faster market entry with lower technology and execution risks. Looking now on financials in more detail on the next slide. Third quarter sales increased by 6% year-over-year, driven by strong outperformance relative to light vehicle production in Asia and South America, along with favorable currency effects and tariff-related compensations. This growth was partly offset by an unfavorable regional and customer mix. The adjusted operating income for Q3 increased by 14% to $271 million, from $237 million last year. The adjusted operating margin was 10%, 70 basis points better than in the same quarter last year.

Operating cash flow was a solid $258 million, an increase of $81 million, or 46% compared to last year. Looking now on the next slide, we continue to deliver broad-based improvements, with particularly strong progress in direct costs and SG&A expenses. Our positive direct labor productivity trend continues as we reduced our direct production personnel by 1,900 year-over-year. This is supported by the implementation of our strategic initiatives, including automation and digitalization. Our gross margin was 19.3%, an increase of 130 basis points year-over-year. The improvement was mainly the result of direct labor efficiency, headcount reductions, and compensation from a supplier.

Our G&E net costs rose both sequentially and year-over-year, primarily due to lower engineering income due to timing of specific customer development projects. Thanks to our cost-saving initiatives, SG&A expenses decreased from the first half-year level. Combined with the increased gross margin, this led to 70 basis points improvement in adjusted operating margin. Looking now on the market developments in the third quarter on the next slide. According to S&P Global data from October, global light vehicle production for the third quarter increased 4.6%, exceeding the expectations from the beginning of the quarter by 4 percentage points. Supported by the scrapping and replacement subsidy policy, we continue to see strong growth for domestic OEMs in China.

Light vehicle demand and production in North America have proven significantly more resilient than previously anticipated. In contrast, light vehicle production in other high-content-per-vehicle markets, namely Western Europe and Japan, declined by approximately 2% to 3%, respectively. The global regional light vehicle production mix was approximately 1 percentage point unfavorable during the quarter, despite the important North American market showing a positive trend. In the quarter, we did see coil-off volatility continue to improve year-over-year and sequentially from the first half-year. The industry may experience increased volatility in the fourth quarter, stemming from a recent fire incident at an aluminum production plant in North America and production adjustments by a key European customer in response to shifting demand.

We will talk about the market development more in detail later in the presentation. Looking now on sales growth in more detail on the next slide. Our consolidated net sales were over $2.7 billion, the highest for the third quarter so far. This was around $150 million higher than last year, driven by price volume, positive currency translation effects, and $14 million from tariff-related compensations. Excluding currencies, our organic sales growth by 4%, including tariff costs and compensations. China accounted for 90% of our group sales. Asia, excluding China, accounted for 20%. Americas for 33%, and Europe for around 28%. We outline our organic sales growth compared to light vehicle production on the next slide.

Our quarterly sales were robust and exceeded our expectations, driven by strong performance across most regions, particularly in the Americas, West Asia, and China. Based on light vehicle production data from October, we underperformed light vehicle production by 0.7% globally, as a result of a negative regional mix of 1.3%. We underperformed slightly in Europe, primarily due to an unfavorable model and customer mix. In the rest of Asia, we outperformed the market with 8%, driven primarily by strong sales growth in India and, to a lesser extent, in South Korea.

While the organic light vehicle production mix shifts continued to impact our overall performance in China, our sales to domestic OEMs grew by almost 23%, 8% more than their light vehicle production growth. Our sales development with the global customers in China was 5% lower than their light vehicle production development, as our sales declined to some key customers, such as Volkswagen, Toyota, and Mercedes. On the next slide, we show some key model launches. The third quarter of 2025 went through a high number of new launches, primarily in Asia, including China. Although some of these new launches in China remained undisclosed here due to confidentiality, the new launches reflect a strong momentum for Autoliv in these important markets.

The models displayed here feature Autoliv content per vehicle from $150 to close to $400. We’re also pleased to have launched airbags and seatbelts on another small Japanese vehicle, A-Cars. This is a meaningful forward step because Autoliv has historically had limited exposure to this segment in Japan. In terms of Autoliv’s sales potential, the Onvo L90 is the most significant. Higher content per vehicle is driven by front center airbags on five of these vehicles. Now looking at the next slide, I will now hand it over to Fredrik Westin.

Fredrik Westin: Thank you, Mikael. I will talk about the financials more in detail now on the slides, so turn to the next slide. This slide highlights our key figures for the third quarter of 2025 compared to the third quarter of 2024. The net sales were approximately $2.7 billion, representing a 6% increase. The gross profit increased by $63 million, and the gross margin increased by 130 basis points. The drivers behind the gross profit improvement were mainly lower material costs, positive effects from the higher sales, and improved operational efficiency. This was partly offset by negative effects from recalls and warranty, depreciation, and unrecovered tariff costs.

The adjusted operating income increased from $237 million to $271 million, and the adjusted operating margin increased by 70 basis points to 10.0%. The reported operating income of $267 million was $4 million lower than the adjusted operating income.

Adjusted earnings per share diluted increased 26% or by $0.48, where the main drivers were $0.29 from higher operating income, $0.09 from taxes, and $0.08 from a lower number of shares. This marks our ninth consecutive quarter of growth in adjusted earnings per share, underscoring the strength of our ongoing operational improvements and further bolstered by a reduced share count from our share buyback program. Our adjusted return on capital employed was a solid 25.5%, and our adjusted return on equity was 28.3%. We paid a dividend of $0.85 per share in the quarter, and we repurchased shares for $100 million and retired 0.8 million shares. Looking now on the adjusted operating income bridge on the next slide.

In the third quarter of 2025, our adjusted operating income increased by $34 million.

Operations contributed with $43 million, mainly from high organic sales and from the execution of operational improvement plans supported by better coil-off volatility. The out-of-period cost compensation was $8 million lower than last year. Costs for RD&E net and SG&A increased by $30 million, mainly due to lower engineering income. The net currency effect was $6 million positive, mainly from translation effects. Last year’s supplier settlement and this year’s supplier compensation combined had a $29 million positive impact. The combination of unrecovered tariffs and the dilutive effect of the recovered portion resulted in a negative impact of approximately 20 basis points on our operating margin in the quarter. Looking now at the cash flow on the next slide.

The operating cash flow for the third quarter of 2025 totaled $258 million, an increase of $81 million compared to the same period last year, mainly as a result of higher net income, partly offset by $53 million negative working capital effects. The negative working capital was primarily driven by higher receivables, reflecting strong sales and delayed tariff compensations toward the end of the quarter. Capital expenditures net decreased by $40 million. Capital expenditures net in relation to sales was 3.9% versus 5.7% a year earlier. The lower level of capital expenditures net is mainly related to lower footprint CapEx in Europe and Americas and less capacity expansion in Asia.

The free operating cash flow was $153 million compared to $32 million in the same period the prior year from higher operating cash flow and the lower CapEx net.

The cash conversion in the quarter, defined as free operating cash flow in relation to the net income, was around 87%, in line with our target of at least 80%. Now looking at our trade working capital development on the next slide. The trade working capital increased by $197 million compared to the prior year, where the main drivers were $165 million in higher accounts receivables, $8 million in higher accounts payables, and $40 million in higher inventories. The increase in trade working capital is mainly due to increased sales and temporarily higher inventories. In relation to sales, the trade working capital increased from 12.8% to 13.9%.

We view the increase in trade working capital as temporary, as our multi-year improvement program continues to deliver results. Additionally, enhanced customer coil-off accuracy should enable a more efficient inventory management. Now looking at our debt leverage ratio development on the next slide.

Autoliv’s balanced leverage strategy reflects our prudent financial management, enabling resilience, innovation, and sustained stakeholder value over time. The leverage ratio remains low at 1.3 times, below our target limit of 1.5 times, and has remained stable compared to both the end of the second quarter and the same period last year. This comes despite returning $530 million to shareholders over the past 12 months. Our net debt increased by $20 million, and the 12 months trailing adjusted EBITDA was $41 million higher in the quarter. With that, I hand it back to you, Mikael.

Mikael Bratt: Thank you, Fredrik. On to the next slide. The outlook for the global auto industry has improved, particularly for North America and China.

While the industry continues to navigate the trade volatility and other regional dynamics, S&P now forecasts global light vehicle production to grow by 2% in 2025, following growth of over 4% in the first nine months of the year. Their outlook for the fourth quarter has significantly improved. Nevertheless, they still anticipate a decline in light vehicle production of approximately 2.7% in the quarter. In North America, the outlook for light vehicle production has been significantly upgraded, driven by resilient demand and low new vehicle inventories. However, a recent fire incident at an aluminum production plant in North America may impact our customers.

For Europe, S&P forecasts a 1.8% decline in light vehicle production for the fourth quarter, despite some easing of U.S. import tariffs. We continue to see downside risks for Europe’s light vehicle production, driven by announced production stoppage at several key customers.

In China, light vehicle production is expected to decline by 5%, primarily due to an exceptionally strong Q4 in 2024. Nevertheless, S&P anticipates sustained growth in Chinese LVP over the medium term, supported by favorable government policies for new energy vehicles, more relaxed auto loan regulations, and increasing export volumes. The outlook for Japan’s light vehicle production has improved, as car makers are increasingly shifting exports to markets outside the U.S., aiming to mitigate reduced export volumes to the U.S. In South Korea, domestic demand has been steadily recovering, while exports have also risen, driven by increased shipments to other regions, compensating for the decline in exports to the U.S. Now looking on our way forward on the next slide.

We expect the fourth quarter of 2025 to be challenging for the automotive industry, with lower light vehicle production and geopolitical challenges.

However, our continued focus on efficiency should help offset some of these headwinds. Consistent with typical seasonal patterns, the fourth quarter is expected to be the strongest of the year. Despite the expected decline in global light vehicle production year-over-year, we foresee higher sales and continued outperformance, particularly in China. Unfortunately, we are also facing some year-over-year headwinds. Unlike the past three years, we do not expect out-of-period inflation compensation in the fourth quarter, given the shift in the inflationary environment. We expect higher depreciation costs due to new manufacturing capacity to meet demand in the key regions, and that the temporary decline in engineering income will persist, driven by the timing of specific customer development projects.

These factors combine in the reason for why we currently expect the full-year adjusted operating margin to come in at the midpoint of the guided range.

However, our solid cash conversion and balance sheet provide fast expansions and a robust foundation for maintaining high shareholder returns. Turning to the next slide. This slide shows our full-year 2025 guidance, which excludes effects from capacity alignment and antitrust-related matters. It is based on no material changes to tariffs or trade restrictions that are in effect as part of 2025, as well as no significant changes in the macroeconomic environment or changes in customer coil-off volatility or significant supply chain disruptions. Our organic sales are expected to increase by around 3%. The guidance for adjusted operating margin is around 10% to 10.5%.

With only one quarter remaining of the year, we expect to be in the middle of the range. Operating cash flow is expected to be around $1.2 billion. We now expect CapEx to be around 4.5% of sales, revised from the previous guidance of around 5%.

Our positive cash flow and strong balance sheet support our continued commitment to a high level of shareholder return. Our full-year guidance is based on a global light vehicle production growth of around 1.5% and a tax rate of around 28%. The net currency translation effect on sales will be around 1% positive. Looking on the next slide. This concludes our formal comments for today’s earnings call, and we would like to open the line for questions from analysts and investors. I now hand it back to Ras.

Operator: Thank you, Sir. As a reminder to ask a question, please press star 1 and 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1 and 1 again. Once again, please press star 1 and 1 and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1 and 1 again. We are now going to proceed with our first question. The questions come from the line of Colin Langan from Wells Fargo Securities. Please ask your question.

Colin Langan: Oh, great. Thanks for taking my questions. You raised your light vehicle production forecast, you know, from down a half to up 1.5%, but organic sales didn’t change. Why aren’t you seeing any benefit from the stronger production environment on your organic?

Fredrik Westin: Yeah. Thanks for your question. There are a couple of components here. I mean, the first one is that some of these adjustments that we also now take into account are for past quarters. Some of the volumes have been raised also in the first half, whereas we had already recorded our sales for that. That doesn’t, yeah. We had a different outdoor underperformance in the first half of the year. That’s one part of the explanation. We also see a larger negative mix now after nine months and also expect that for the full year.

That is close to 2 percentage points, this negative market mix, which is also one of the reasons, and that’s, say, even less unfavorable now than we saw a quarter ago. Those are some explanations.

On top of that, we see that some of the launches in China have been a bit delayed, and that they are not coming through fully in line with our expectations that we had here about a quarter ago. Those are the main reasons why you don’t see that LVP estimate increase come through on our organic sales guidance.

Colin Langan: Got it. The margin in the quarter was very strong. I thought Q3 is typically one of your weaker margins. Anything unusual in the quarter? I noticed you flagged supplier settlements. I kind of get the non-repeat of bad news last year. Is the $15 million of supplier compensation additional good news? Is that one-time in nature? How should we think of that? Anything else that’s maybe possibly one-time in nature in the quarter that drove the strong margin?

Fredrik Westin: Yeah. The $50 million there is a one-time, and it is compensation from a supplier for historical costs that we had versus our customers there. It is one time in the quarter here, for previous costs that we have had. I would say here also that, I think what you saw in the quarter here was that we had slightly higher sales than expected. That was an important component, of course. I think most importantly here is that we continue to see a very strong delivery of the internal improvement work that we are so focused on and that we have been focused on for a while, leading to our targets here.

Good work done by the whole Autoliv team here across the whole value chain.

Colin Langan: Got it. All right. Thanks for taking my questions.

Operator: Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Björn Inoson from Danske Bank. Please ask your question.

Björn Inoson: Hi. Thanks for taking my question. On your implied guidance for Q4 and also on your a little bit cautious comments on Q4, it looks like there are a little bit of temporary negative effects that you are talking about. Should we extrapolate the Q4 trends looking into 2026? Are you quite happy with the productivity work and also that coil-offs look again a little bit better? Should we have as a base assumption that you should progress again towards the midterm target of 12%? How should we look upon that? Thank you.

Fredrik Westin: Yeah. I think, first of all, that we feel confident when it comes to our ability to eventually get to our 12% target. No doubt about that. What you see here in the Q3, Q4 movement is nothing if you read into that. I think, as I said before, we see very good progress in terms of the activities that we control ourselves. We see really good traction when it comes to the strategic initiatives that we have outlined some time back. Good progress there. I think when you look at Q4 over Q4, it’s, I would say, more of, first of all, a normalization of the quarters. Q4 is still the strongest quarter in the year.

Of course, in the previous last two, three years, it has been more pronounced since we had this out-of-period compensation that we referred to earlier, which you will not see in the same way now in this quarter in Q4 2025. There is a difference there. I would say also, you have seen a little bit stronger Q3 when it comes to sales. There is a timing effect between Q3 and Q4 compared to when we looked into the second half. There is also a part of the explanation. The bottom line, we feel comfortable with our own progress towards the targets that we have. Maybe just to build on that, just one more detail on the fourth quarter.

We do expect that we will have a slightly lower engineering income also in the fourth quarter, as you saw now in the third quarter.

This is temporary, and it’s very dependent on how the engineering activities are with certain customers. This should then also recover in 2026.

Björn Inoson: Okay. Yeah. I saw that comment. Did you say it’s likely to be recovered in early next year then?

Fredrik Westin: In next year overall, yes.

Björn Inoson: Overall. Okay.

Fredrik Westin: You should see a recovery ratio that is more in line with or a bit higher now than what you see in the second half of this year. That’s, again, very dependent on engineering activities with certain customers and how they reimburse us.

Björn Inoson: Okay. Got it.

Fredrik Westin: Yeah. In some cases, it’s built in the piece price. In some cases, it’s paid like engineering income specifically. Depending on how that mix looks over time, of course, you have some smaller fluctuation. That is really what we refer to here.

Björn Inoson: Okay. Very clear. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Gautam Narayan from RBC Capital Markets. Please ask your question.

Gautam Narayan: Hi. Thanks for taking the question. Maybe a follow-up to that last one, the Q4 guidance. You call out three headwinds: the less compensation on inflation, I guess the higher depreciation, and then this engineering income. Just wondering if you could dimensionalize those three in terms of order of magnitude for Q4. I mean, we know the engineering income is temporary. The other two, you know, I guess, depends on certain factors. Just trying to dimensionalize those three in terms of what is temporary and what continues. I have a follow-up.

Fredrik Westin: Yeah. I think the engineering income, you can look at Q3 on a year-by-year basis and how that as a % of sales. That, I think, is a pretty good indication also for how that could be in the fourth quarter. That’s the largest headwind we will have. The next one is the fact that we had this out-of-period compensation from our customers related to inflation compensation last year. That falls away this year. That’s the second largest. The third largest is the depreciation expense increase.

Gautam Narayan: Okay. On the China commentary, we did see that BYD is losing share in China due to some government initiatives and whatnot. I would have thought that alone would maybe benefit you guys more. I know macro in China, the domestics are doing better than the globals. I see that. I understand that. Just wondering if the share loss that BYD is seeing—I know you’re under-indexed to them—is benefiting you guys. Thanks.

Fredrik Westin: Yeah. I mean, in the overall mix, of course, since we are only selling components to them, and you see their portion of the total market, you know, flattening out, of course, it’s supportive in the sense of measuring our outperformance relative to the COEMs, LVP as such. Mathematically, yes, you have that effect there.

Gautam Narayan: Great, thanks a lot. I’ll turn it over.

Operator: Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. Our next questions come from the line of Michael Aspinall from Jefferies. Please ask your question.

Michael Aspinall: Thanks, Sam. Good day, Mikael, Fredrik, and Anders. One first on India. It was one-third of the organic growth. Can you just remind us where we are in the shift in content per vehicle in India, and how large India is in terms of sales now?

Fredrik Westin: Yeah. I think we are. See the strong development in India there. As I said, one-third of the growth in the quarter. It’s today around 5% of our turnover is coming from India. It’s not long ago, it was around 2%. A significant increase of importance there. We have a very strong market share in India, 60%. Of course, we are benefiting well from the volume growth you see there. We are expecting India to continue to grow. We have also invested in our investment footprint there to be able to defend our market share and to capture the growth here.

Content-wise, we expect it to go from, you know, it went from $120 in 2024 to roughly $140 this year. You have both content and light vehicle production growth in India to look forward to.

We expect it to go further up to around $160 to $170 in the next couple of years.

Michael Aspinall: Great. Excellent. Thank you. One more. Just on the JV with Hang Cheng, who were you purchasing these items from before? Were you purchasing from Hang Cheng and now to JV, or have you formed a JV with them and were purchasing from someone else previously?

Fredrik Westin: I mean, they have been an important supplier to us in the past as well. Of course, we have worked with them and established a very good relationship there. I couldn’t say it has been exclusively with them. We have a global supplier base here, but we see great opportunity here to not only produce but also develop components for our future models and programs here as we work together here, both on development and manufacturing.

Michael Aspinall: Okay. They’re moving, I guess, from a supplier, and now you guys are going to be working together?

Fredrik Westin: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Michael Aspinall: Okay. Great. Thank you.

Fredrik Westin: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Vijay Rakesh from Mizuho. Please ask your question.

Vijay Rakesh: Yeah. Hi, Mikael. Just quickly on the China side, I know you mentioned subsidies. When you look at the NEV and the scrapping subsidy, I believe it is down like 50% this year. Do you expect that to be extended to 2026, or is there going to be another step down? Then follow up.

Mikael Bratt: Yeah. I would say we are not speculating in that. I guess it’s anybody’s guess here. I think overall, we definitely look very positively on China. As we have mentioned here before, we are growing our share with the Chinese OEMs here and had good developments in the quarter here. We are also investing in China as well here. As I mentioned in the presentation here earlier, I mean, we are investing in a second R&D center in Wuhan to make sure that we also continue to work closer with the broader base of customers there, so adding capacity. We talked about JV just now here. The partnership with CATARC here is an important step here.

All in all, looking positively on China going forward here for sure. Subsidies or not, we will see, but overall, it’s pointing in the right direction here.

Vijay Rakesh: Got it. As you look at the European market, a lot of talk about price competition and imports coming in from Asia and tariffs, etc. How do you see the European auto market play out for 2026? Thanks.

Mikael Bratt: Yeah. I think we wait to comment on ’26 for the next quarterly earnings here when it’s time for it. As we have said here for the remainder of the year, we are cautious about the European market more from a demand point of view than anything else. I think that’s really the main question mark around the market than anything else in terms of OEM reshuffling or anything like that. I mean, it’s really the end consumer question here.

Vijay Rakesh: Got it.

Mikael Bratt: When it comes to Europe.

Vijay Rakesh: Yeah.

Operator: Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Emmanuel Rosner from Wolfe Research. Please ask your question.

Emmanuel Rosner: Oh, great. Thank you so much. My first question is actually a follow-up. I think on Colin’s question around the organic growth outlook, which is unchanged despite the better LVP. I’m not sure that I understood all the factors, but if we wanted to frame it as like growth above market, initially, you were going to grow 3% despite a shrinking market. Now you’re growing 3% in a market that would be growing 1.5%. Can you maybe just go back over the factors that are driving this different expectations for outperformance?

Fredrik Westin: Yeah. In that sense, the largest change over the capital quarters here since we started the year is the negative market mix. As I said, we now see a negative market mix for the full year of around 2%. That has deteriorated over the course of the year. That’s the largest part. We have also seen here in the third quarter the negatives in customer mix for us, mostly in North America and Europe. That’s also a deviation to what we expected going into the year. The last one that I already mentioned before is that we see some delays on the new launches, in particular in China.

They’re not coming through at the same pace that we had expected originally.

Emmanuel Rosner: Understood. Thank you. If I go back to your framework and your midterm margin targets, can you just maybe remind us the drivers that will get you from the 10 to 10.5% this year to towards the 12%? Where are we tracking on some of those? I did notice that you mentioned improved coil-off accuracy, both sequentially and year-over-year. Is that something that you expect to continue in and that will be helpful for that?

Fredrik Westin: Yeah. I mean, the framework has not changed as you would probably expect. It’s still, if we take 2024 as the base point with 9.7% adjusted operating margin, we still expect 80 basis points improvement from the indirect headcount reduction. In the reported numbers here now, you don’t see a movement in that, but we had about 260 employees from a labor law change in Tunisia that we now have to account for headcount. That distorts that number. If you adjust for that, we would also have shown further progress on the indirect headcount reduction. That is well on track. We said 60 basis points from normalization of coil-offs. That is developing well.

We saw 94% coil-off accuracy here and also in the third quarter, which is an improvement on a year-over-year basis.

We also talked about that we have decreased our direct headcount by 1,900 people despite that organic growth was at 4% on a year-over-year basis. That’s tracking very well. The remaining 90 basis points would be from growth component, where we are maybe a little bit behind now this year as we laid, or as you talked about before, and from automation digitalization. There again, you can see, I think, on the gross margin, even if you exclude the settlement here with a supplier, you can also see there that we are progressing well on that component.

Emmanuel Rosner: Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Jairam Nathan from Daiwa Capital Markets America. Please ask your question.

Jairam Nathan: Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to kind of go back to the announcement out of China. I just wanted to understand better the timing. It seems it kind of coincided with also the announcement of Adient, the zero-gravity product. Just one, is this timing related to some new business win or more opportunities there?

Fredrik Westin: You’re talking about JV or?

Jairam Nathan: The JV, the CATARC partnership, as well as the kind of announced you kind of finalized the Adient zero-gravity product. Yeah.

Fredrik Westin: I was going to say they’re not connected at all as such. The JV here is really to vertically integrate in an effective way together with a partner to gain a broader product offering here to say that we offer also, yeah, more to our end customer, basically. CATARC is, of course, a development collaboration to make safer vehicles, safer roads for everyone. It’s including light vehicles, commercial vehicles, and vulnerable road users, meaning two-wheelers, etc. It is a broad-based research collaboration there. The Adient, of course, is connected to the zero-gravity. I mean, yeah, to some extent, of course, they are all about safety products as such, but they are not connected in any way.

Jairam Nathan: Okay. Thanks. Just to follow up, I wanted to understand the lower CapEx. Is that something that can be maintained as a % of sales into the future?

Fredrik Westin: Yeah. I think, I mean, we have been talking about this in the past also that our ambition is to bring down the CapEx levels in relation to sales compared to where we have been. We have been through a cycle here where we have invested a lot in our facilities around the world, Europe, where we have consolidated and upgraded a number of plants, India investments we talked about before, expanding capacity in China. We also upgraded in Japan, etc. In the last couple of years, we have invested heavily in upgrading our industrial footprint. We are coming out now into a more normalized phase here. That is why we can bring it down here.

We are not expecting to see CapEx jump up back in the near term here.

Jairam Nathan: Okay, thank you. That’s fine.

Operator: Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Hampus Engellau from Handelsbanken. Please ask your question.

Hampus Engellau: Thank you very much. A quick question from my side. Maybe a bit of a nitty-gritty question, but if I remember correctly, you covered about 80% of the tariff cost in the second quarter, and the remaining 20% came in Q3. Now you’re moving around 20% for Q3 you will get in Q4. Is the net effect like 100% compensation if you account for the things that came from second quarter to Q3, or are you still a net negative there on the margin?

Fredrik Westin: Yeah, please go ahead. …  Oh, please go ahead. … Okay. Yeah. Sorry. Let’s take this first, so we’re done with that one. We are still net negative here. As we said, we have received some of the outstanding $20 million in the second quarter in Q3, but most of it remains still. In the third quarter here, we got $75 million. We have accumulated more outstandings from Q2 to Q3. As we have indicated here, we still expect to get full compensation and catch up on this in the fourth quarter close. I think we are fully compensated. That’s our expectations here. Of course, the work is ongoing here as we speak with that, but that’s the net result right now.

Hampus Engellau: Fair enough. The last question was more related to from what you see today in terms of launches for 2026, and you maybe compare that to 2025 if you could share some light on that.

Fredrik Westin: I have no figure yet for 2026 to share with you here, but I think in general terms, I mean, we have a good order intake here to support our overall market position here. We see, however, some mixed, especially on the EV side, planned programs or launches being delayed or canceled here. There are some reshuffling there. What kind of impact that will have in 2026 compared to 2025, we are not ready to communicate that yet. As I said, we have good order intake here to support our market position.

Hampus Engellau: Thank you very much.

Operator: Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Edison Yu from Deutsche Bank. Please ask your question.

Edison Yu: Hi. This is Winnie on for Edison. Thanks for taking the call. My first question is on the supplier contract news that came out of GM, indicating maybe like a more less favorable contract terms for suppliers on a go-forward basis. I’m just curious if this is something that’s more isolated and more depends on like the OEM, or do you see like heading into 2026 maybe a broader trend that can pose potentially as a headwind heading into next year? I have a follow-up.

Fredrik Westin: No, I don’t want to comment specific customer contracts or conditions here. Of course, it’s a constantly ongoing development here in terms of what the OEMs want to put into their contract. I would say that I see a good ability to manage those clauses and contracts that are put in front of us here. I must say I don’t feel any major concerns around a more difficult situation. I think we are quite successful in negotiating and settling contracts with our customers here. Nothing exceptional there from our point of view, I would say.

Edison Yu: Got it. Thank you. On the Ford supplier impact, you did mention some potential impacts into Ford Q. I was just curious if you can help us delineate that. Is that something to be concerned about, or is it more of a negligible impact for you guys?

Fredrik Westin: Yeah. I think, I mean, every car that is not produced is not a good thing, of course, especially for the customer in question here. You have seen the announcements made by the OEMs here. Just as a reference, the Ford 150 is around 1% of our global sales. It’s not good, but it’s manageable, I would say, from our point of view. Just as a reference.

Edison Yu: Thank you so much.

Operator: Thank you. We are now going to proceed with our next question. The questions come from the line of Dan Levy from Barclays Bank. Please ask your question.

Dan Levy: Hi. Great. Thank you for taking the question. I just wanted to follow up on that prior question. You know, the headlines on Xperia yesterday causing some potential supply issues. Just how much of that of a potential risk have you seen or heard on that in the fourth quarter for European production?

Fredrik Westin: For the European production, no, I think it’s too early to comment on that. I mean, it’s just a few days, hours, or almost into the situation here. I think, first of all, we have a very good supply chain team that are on alert here and are managing through the situation here. We have been here before with supply chain constraints. I would say the last couple of years, there’s been many topics here. The team is well prepared to maneuver through this. We’ll see and come back on that. I would say it’s too early to be too granular or too detailed around that. As I said, it’s early days here.

We don’t see too much yet from the customers.

Dan Levy: Thank you. Just as a follow-up, I wanted to double-click on the China performance. You did very well outperformance with the domestic OEMs. In spite of that, the total China performance was negative 3 points, even though the domestics are the clear majority. I think we were all a bit surprised. I know you sort of unpacked this a bit before in one of the prior questions. Can you maybe just explain the dynamics of why, even though you outperformed the domestics, the overall China performance was negative? What can you explain what flips going forward that is leading you to say that your China growth going forward should outperform?

Fredrik Westin: Yeah. I mean, we still, for us, as we said before here, we believe that we will see improvements here in the quarter to come. I think it is a really important milestone here, what we reported on the COEM outperformance, which was really strong here in the quarter. Still, the global OEMs is a bigger majority of our total sales, and some of our customers here that are significant had a negative mix impact on us this quarter, unfortunately. That was on the negative side here. We don’t see this as a major trend shift here. It’s a mixed effect that we see from quarter to quarter here.

I think the important takeaway here is that we see this strong growth development with the Chinese OEMs that is also growing their share of the total market.

Fredrik Westin: That sets us up for, I would say, good development in China over time.

Dan Levy: Okay. Thank you.

Operator: Given the time constraint, this concludes the question and answer session. I will now hand back to Mr. Mikael Bratt for closing remarks.

Mikael Bratt: Thank you very much, Ras. Before we conclude today’s call, I want to reaffirm our commitment to meeting our financial targets. We remain focused on cost efficiency, innovation, quality, sustainability, and mitigating tariffs. With ongoing market headwinds, we anticipate strong fourth quarter performance. Our fourth quarter call is scheduled for Friday, January 30, 2026. Thank you for your attention. Until next time, stay safe.

Operator: This concludes today’s conference call. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.

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Travelers (TRV) Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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Date

Thursday, Oct. 16, 2025 at 9:00 a.m. ET

Call participants

Chairman and Chief Executive Officer — Alan Schnitzer

Chief Financial Officer — Dan Frey

President, Business Insurance — Greg Toczydlowski

President, Bond & Specialty Insurance — Jeffrey Klenk

President, Personal Insurance — Michael Klein

Senior Vice President, Investor Relations — Abbe Goldstein

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Takeaways

Core Income — $1.9 billion in core income, or $8.14 per diluted share, driven by underwriting gains and increased investment income.

Return on Equity — Core return on equity was 22.6% for the quarter; trailing twelve-month core return on equity at 18.7%.

Underwriting Income — $1.4 billion pretax, doubling compared to the prior-year quarter, aided by reduced catastrophe losses and a 1.7-point improvement in the underlying combined ratio to 83.9%.

Net Investment Income (After Tax) — $850 million, a 15% year-over-year increase, driven by fixed income portfolio growth and higher yields.

Net Written Premiums — $11.5 billion in net written premiums, with Business Insurance at $5.7 billion (up 3%), Bond & Specialty at $1.1 billion, and Personal Insurance at $4.7 billion.

Segment Combined Ratios — Business Insurance: 92.9% (88.3% underlying); Bond & Specialty: 81.6% (85.8% underlying); Personal Insurance: 81.3% (77.7% underlying).

Shareholder Capital Return — $878 million returned, with $628 million in share repurchases and $250 million in dividends.

Adjusted Book Value Per Share — Adjusted book value per share was $150.55 at quarter end, up 15% from a year earlier.

Expense Ratio — 28.6% (year-to-date 28.5%), with management maintaining a 28% target for both 2025 and 2026.

Catastrophe Losses — $42 million pretax, described as “benign,” driven largely by tornado and hail events in the Central U.S.

Net Favorable Prior Year Reserve Development (PYD) — $22 million pretax (includes $277 million asbestos charge in Business Insurance, offset by favorable PYD in other lines).

Operating Cash Flow — Record $4.2 billion, with holding company liquidity of $2.8 billion at quarter end.

Share Repurchase Outlook — Management expects Q4 repurchases to reach about $1.3 billion, with a total of approximately $3.5 billion projected over Q3 2025 through Q1 2026, equating to a 5% reduction in share count.

Business Insurance Pricing Metrics — Renewal premium change (RPC) of 7.1% segment-wide, increasing to 9% ex-property; renewal rate change of 6.7%; retention at 85%.

Bond & Specialty Insurance — Segment retention of 87% in management liability, renewal premium change of 3.7% in domestic management liability, and a 40% increase in new lines of business sold to existing customers (private and nonprofit).

Personal Insurance Homeowners Metrics — Renewal premium change at 18%, expected to decrease to single digits in early 2026 as insured values align with replacement costs; retention at 84%.

Personal Insurance Auto Metrics — Combined ratio of 84.9%, underlying combined ratio of 88.3%, auto new business premium up year-over-year for the fourth consecutive quarter; retention at 82%.

Investment Portfolio Update — Portfolio grew by approximately $4 billion; more than 90% in fixed income with an average credit rating of AA; net unrealized investment loss narrowed from $3 billion to $2 billion after tax.

Debt Issuance — $1.25 billion issued (split between $500 million ten-year and $750 million thirty-year notes) for ordinary capital management.

Technology Investment — $13 billion invested since 2016 in technology, enabling a 300-basis-point reduction in expense ratio and access to over 65 billion clean data points to power AI and analytics initiatives, as disclosed by management.

Summary

Travelers (TRV -3.30%) reported substantial earnings growth, citing record profitability driven by improved underwriting and investment performance. Management highlighted excess capital and liquidity, with plans to accelerate share repurchases through Q1 2026 and indicated additional buybacks linked to the Canadian operations sale, specifically referencing a three-quarter period. The call outlined targeted underwriting strategies, with disciplined risk selection in property and actions to optimize exposure in high-catastrophe geographies. The company emphasized advancements in technology and AI, quantifying its scale, data advantage, and focus on sustainable cost improvements and operating leverage. Leadership reaffirmed a measured approach to capital deployment, prioritizing technology and potential M&A before returning excess to shareholders.

Chairman Schnitzer said, “we anticipate a higher level of share repurchase over the next couple of quarters,” underscoring shareholder return as a key use of surplus capital.

CFO Frey stated, “Our outlook for fixed income NII, including earnings from short-term securities, has increased from the outlook we provided a quarter ago,” signaling rising yield expectations for the investment portfolio.

President Klein provided forward guidance: We expect RPC to remain elevated and then drop into single digits beginning in early 2026.

President Toczydlowski disclosed middle market new business of $391 million—its highest third-quarter result—up 7% from the prior year, despite selective property underwriting and competitive market dynamics.

Industry glossary

Renewal Premium Change (RPC): The percentage change in premium for renewed policies, reflecting both pricing actions and changes in exposure or insured value.

Combined Ratio: A measure of underwriting profitability, calculated by summing incurred losses and expenses as a percentage of earned premiums; a ratio below 100% indicates underwriting profit.

PYC/PYD (Prior Year Reserve Development): The adjustment (favorable or unfavorable) to reserves set aside in prior periods for claims, as new information becomes available.

Retention: The proportion of policies or premium renewed with the company, stated as a percentage.

Middle Market: The business segment serving mid-sized commercial insurance customers, distinct from small businesses (“Select”) and large national accounts.

Travis: Travelers’ proprietary digital experience platform for distribution partners.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Alan Schnitzer chairman and CEO Dan Frey CFO and our three segment presidents. Greg Toczydlowski of Business Insurance, Jeff Klenk of Bond and Specialty Insurance, and Michael Klein of Personal Insurance. They will discuss the financial results of our business and the current market environment. They will refer to the webcast presentation as they go through prepared remarks, and then we will take questions before I turn the call over to Alan, I’d like to draw your attention to the explanatory note included at the end of the webcast presentation. Our presentation today includes forward looking statements. The company cautions investors that any forward looking statement involves risks and uncertainties and is not a guarantee of future performance.

Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in the forward-looking statements due to a variety of factors. These factors are described under forward-looking statements in our earnings press release and in our most recent 10-Q and 10-Ks filed with the SEC. We do not undertake any obligation to update forward-looking statements. Also, in our remarks or responses to questions, we may mention some non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations are included in our recent earnings press release, financial supplement, and other materials available in the Investors section on our website. And now I’d like to turn the call over to Alan Schnitzer.

Alan Schnitzer: Thank you, Abby. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. We are pleased to report excellent third-quarter results. We earned core income of $1.9 billion or $8.14 per diluted share. Our return on equity for the quarter was 22.6%, bringing our core return on equity for the trailing twelve months to 18.7%. Very strong underwriting results and higher investment income drove the bottom line. Underwriting income of $1.4 billion pretax more than doubled compared to the prior year quarter, benefiting from both the lower level of catastrophe losses and higher underlying underwriting income. The underlying result was driven by higher net earned premiums and an underlying combined ratio that improved 1.7 points to an exceptional 83.9%.

Underwriting income was higher in all three segments. Our high-quality investment portfolio also continued to perform well, generating after-tax net investment income of $850 million for the quarter, up 15%, driven by strong and reliable returns from our growing fixed income portfolio. Our underwriting and investment results, together with our strong balance sheet, enabled us to return almost $900 million of capital to shareholders during the quarter, including $628 million of share repurchases. At the same time, we continue to make strategic investments in our business. Even after this deployment of capital, adjusted book value per share was up 15% compared to a year ago.

With strong results over the past year and a particularly light cat quarter, we have a higher than usual level of excess capital and liquidity. Consequently, we anticipate a higher level of share repurchase over the next couple of quarters. Dan will have more to say about that in a minute. Turning to the top line, we grew net written premiums to $11.5 billion in the quarter. In business insurance, we grew net written premiums by 3% to $5.7 billion, led by 4% growth in our domestic business. Excluding the property line, we grew domestic net written premiums in the segment by more than 6%. The declining premium volume in property continues to be a large account dynamic.

In fact, we grew property in both middle market and small commercial. We’ve seen this dynamic in the large property market before, and we won’t compromise our underwriting discipline. Over time, particularly as catastrophic events inevitably unfold, the value of that discipline and the cost to those who abandon it will become unmistakable. Renewal premium and change in business insurance was 7.1%, driven by continued historically high RPC in our middle market and select business businesses. Excluding the property line, renewal premium change in the segment was a very strong 9%, and renewal rate change was a very strong 6.7%. Greg will share additional detail by line. Retention in the segment was 85%.

Given the high quality of the book, we were very pleased with that result. In Bond and Specialty Insurance, we grew net written premiums to $1.1 billion with higher renewal premium change and continued strong retention of 87% in our high-quality management liability business. Net written premiums in our market-leading surety business remained strong. In personal insurance, written premiums were $4.7 billion with strong renewal premium change in our homeowners business. You’ll hear more shortly from Greg, Jeff, and Michael about our segment results. As we head toward the end of the year, our planning for 2026 is well underway. As always, that process involves assessing the environment ahead.

There are uncertainties out there: economic, political, geopolitical, not to mention the loss environment. We are very confident that we’re built and very well positioned for whatever lies ahead. We’re operating from a position of considerable strength. Profitability is strong, reflecting our leading underwriting expertise and the operating leverage we’ve built through a sustained focus on productivity and efficiency. Our competitive advantages have never been stronger or more relevant. Strong underwriting is the flywheel that sets everything in motion. Our premium growth at attractive margins has generated strong cash flow, which enables us to make strategic investments in our business, return excess capital to shareholders, and grow our investment portfolio.

Since 2016, we have successfully invested $13 billion in technology, returned more than $20 billion of excess capital to our shareholders, and grown our investment portfolio by nearly 50% to more than $100 billion. Scale matters, increasingly so. We have the scale to win in an environment where technology and AI will continue to segment the marketplace. We have a track record of identifying the right strategic priorities and driving value from them. You can see that in the 300 basis point reduction we’ve achieved in our expense ratio since 2016, even while we were significantly increasing our overall technology spend.

Importantly, our size gives us the data to power AI, creating a virtuous cycle: better insights, better decisions, better outcomes, more resources to invest. For example, our long-time focus on organizing and curating data has given us access to more than 65 billion clean data points from decades of history across multiple business lines. We leverage that to sharpen our underwriting and shape our claim strategies. With the vast majority of our business in North America, we hold a leading position in the largest and most stable insurance market in the world, an advantage that insulates us from much of the risk arising from the economic instability and geopolitical uncertainty around the globe.

Our fortress balance sheet and exceptional cash flow provide us with the financial strength to invest consistently in the business regardless of the external conditions. Our financial strength also enables us to manage comfortably through large loss events like the January California wildfires. When it comes to the loss environment, from weather volatility to the impact of social inflation on casualty lines, no one is better positioned. Diversification provides powerful protection. In fact, our business mix produces a consolidated loss ratio that’s actually less volatile than the loss ratio of our least volatile segment. That’s the power of a balanced and diversified portfolio. Equally important is our demonstrated ability to confront the loss environment head-on.

We have the data, the analytics, and the discipline to establish reserves and loss picks appropriately and generally ahead of the market. That matters because until you have an accurate view of the loss environment, your risk selection, underwriting, and claim strategies are all operating with the wrong inputs. Since our early identification of the acceleration of social inflation in 2019, we’ve grown the business and delivered significantly improved margins. Getting an accurate and timely view of the loss environment isn’t just about the balance sheet. It’s foundational to running the business effectively. Our internally managed investment portfolio was another source of strength.

Our disciplined focus on achieving appropriate risk-adjusted returns has served us exceptionally well through various markets, especially during periods of market turmoil. More than 90% of our portfolio is in fixed income with an average credit rating of AA. We’re highly selective. We don’t reach for yield. We hold the vast majority of our fixed income securities to maturity. And we carefully coordinate the duration of our assets and liabilities. The track record speaks for itself. Our default rates during the most challenging environments over the past two decades were a fraction of industry averages. This consistency comes from a world-class investment team, with extraordinary tenure and a shared long-term perspective.

In short, the franchise we’ve built, the capabilities we’ve developed, and our depth of expertise create advantages that are durable across operating environments. Before I wrap up, I’ll share that we’re just back from one of the industry’s premier conferences, where we had the opportunity to meet with dozens of our key agents and brokers, who collectively represent a substantial amount of our business. We left as convinced as ever that our position with the independent distribution channel is an unmatched strategic advantage. We heard clearly that our strategic investments are resonating and that looking ahead, we’re focused on the right priorities to extend that advantage. I want to acknowledge and thank all of our distribution partners.

I also want to reiterate our unwavering commitment to being an indispensable partner for them and the undeniable choice for their customers. To sum it up, we’re very well positioned and very optimistic about the road ahead. And with that, I’m pleased to turn the call over to Dan.

Dan Frey: Thank you, Alan. In the third quarter, we once again delivered excellent financial results on a consolidated basis and in each of our three segments. Core income for the quarter of $1.9 billion resulted in core return on equity of 22.6%, reflecting both excellent underwriting results and strong investment income. We generated higher levels of written premium and earned premium while delivering excellent combined ratios on both a reported and underlying basis. At 83.9%, the underlying combined ratio marked its fourth consecutive quarter below 85. The combination of higher premiums and the excellent underlying combined ratio led to an 18% increase in after-tax underlying underwriting income, which surpassed $1 billion for the fifth consecutive quarter.

The expense ratio for the third quarter was 28.6%, bringing the year-to-date expense ratio to 28.5%. We continue to expect an expense ratio of around 28% for the full year 2025 and expect to manage to that level again in 2026. Catastrophe losses in the quarter were fairly benign at $42 million pretax, consisting mainly of tornado hail events in the Central United States. Turning to prior year reserve development, we had total net favorable development of $22 million pretax. In Business Insurance, the annual asbestos review resulted in a charge of $277 million. Excluding asbestos, business insurance had net favorable PYD of $152 million driven by continued favorability in workers’ comp.

In Bond and Specialty, net favorable PYD was $43 million pretax with favorability in Fidelity and Surety. Personal insurance had net favorable PYD of $104 million pretax driven by favorability in auto. After-tax net investment income of $850 million increased by 15% from the prior year quarter. Fixed maturity NII was again the driver of the increase, reflecting both the benefit of higher invested assets and higher average yields. Returns in the non-fixed income portfolio were also up from the prior year quarter. During the quarter, we grew our investment portfolio by approximately $4 billion. Our outlook for fixed income NII, including earnings from short-term securities, has increased from the outlook we provided a quarter ago.

And we now expect approximately $810 million after tax in the fourth quarter. For 2026, we expect more than $3.3 billion, with quarterly figures starting at around $810 million in Q1 and growing to around $885 million in Q4. New money rates as of September 30 are roughly 70 to 75 basis points above the yield embedded in the portfolio. Turning to capital management. Operating cash flows for the quarter were a new record at $4.2 billion, and we ended the quarter with holding company liquidity of approximately $2.8 billion.

Interest rates decreased during the quarter, and as a result, our net unrealized investment loss decreased from $3 billion after tax at June 30 to $2 billion after tax at September 30. Adjusted book value per share, which excludes net unrealized investment gains and losses, was $150.55 at quarter end, up 8% from year end and up 15% from a year ago. Also of note for Q3, we issued $1.25 billion of debt back in July, with $500 million of ten-year notes and $750 million of thirty-year notes. This was simply ordinary course capital management, maintaining a debt-to-capital ratio in our target range as we continue to grow the business.

Sticking with the theme of capital management, we returned $878 million of our capital to shareholders this quarter, comprising share repurchases of $628 million and dividends of $250 million. As Alan shared, our very strong earnings over the past year have provided us with an elevated level of capital and liquidity well in excess of what we had planned to use for investment and to support continued growth. As a result, we expect to increase the level of share repurchases in the fourth quarter to roughly $1.3 billion.

Also, keep in mind that we previously shared our plan to deploy about $700 million from the sale of our Canadian operations, expected to close in early 2026, for additional share repurchases as well. So if we look across the three-quarter period from Q3 2025 through Q1 2026, our repurchases in Q3 combined with our current outlook for the next two quarters has us repurchasing a total of somewhere around $3.5 billion worth of our stock. Using the average share price over the past thirty days for purchases during the next two quarters, that would result in a reduction of our outstanding share count of about 5% in the nine-month period.

Of course, the actual amount and timing of repurchases will depend on a number of factors, including the timing of the closing of the transaction in Canada, actual quarterly earnings, and other factors we disclose in our SEC filings. Recapping our results, Q3 was another quarter of excellent underwriting profitability on both an underlying and as-reported basis, and another quarter of rising net investment income. These strong fundamentals delivered core return on equity of 22.6% for the quarter and 18.7% on a trailing twelve-month basis, and position us very well to continue delivering strong results in the future. And now for a discussion of results in Business Insurance, I’ll turn the call over to Greg.

Greg Toczydlowski: Thanks, Dan. Business Insurance had a very strong quarter, delivering a record third-quarter segment income of $907 million and an all-in combined ratio of 92.9%. The quarter reflected relatively benign catastrophes and the continued strong contribution from our exceptional underlying underwriting results. This quarter’s underlying combined ratio of 88.3% marked the twelfth consecutive quarter where we’ve produced an underlying combined ratio below 90%. We’re pleased that our ongoing strategic investments have contributed to this sustained level of profitability. In particular, through meaningful advancements in data and analytics, we continue to advance our underwriting tools.

One specific highlight is the development and utilization of sophisticated models that derive risk characteristics, refine technical pricing, and summarize historical and modeled loss experience, all of which is provided to our underwriters at the point of sale. Moving to the top line, our net written premiums increased to an all-time third-quarter high of $5.7 billion. We grew our leading middle market and select businesses by 7% and 4%, respectively. These two markets make up 70% of the net written premiums in business insurance. We saw a decline in net written premiums in National Property and Other, which, as you heard from Alan, reflects our disciplined execution in terms of risk selection, pricing, and terms and conditions.

As for production across the segment, pricing remained attractive with renewal premium change just over 7%. Renewal premium change remains strong in select and middle market. From a line of business perspective, renewal premium change was positive in all lines, double digits in umbrella, CMP, and auto, and up from the second quarter or stable in all lines other than property. As you heard from Alan, excluding the property line, renewal premium change in this segment was 9%. Retention remained excellent at 85%, and new business of $673 million was about flat to a very strong prior year level. We’re very pleased with these production results and particularly our field’s execution for our proven segmentation strategy.

Across the book, pricing and retention results this quarter reflect excellent execution, aligning price, terms, and conditions with environmental trends for each lot. As for the individual businesses, in select, renewal premium change of 10.8% was about flat with the second quarter. Retention ticked up as expected as we near completion of our targeted CMP risk return optimization efforts. And lastly, for Select, we generated new business of $134 million, up 3% over the prior year. As we’ve mentioned previously, we’ve made meaningful strategic investments in this market in both product and user experience.

Our new BOP and auto products have been well received in the market, and we’re pleased that the industry-leading segmentation contained in both products is contributing to profitable growth. We’re also very pleased with the success of Travis, our digital experience platform for our distribution partners. As we continue our strategic rollout, Travis is already producing over 1 million transactions annually. In our core middle market business, renewal premium change of 8.3% was also about flat sequentially from the second quarter. Price increases remain broad-based as we achieved higher prices on more than three-quarters of our middle market accounts. And at the same time, the granular execution was excellent, with meaningful spread from our best-performing accounts to our lower-performing accounts.

We’re pleased that retention of 88% remained exceptional given the level of price increases we achieved. And finally, new business of $391 million was our highest ever third-quarter result and up 7% over the prior year. We’re pleased with the new business risk selection and strength of pricing and overall with the combination of strong returns and customer growth in middle market. On a strategic note for middle market, we continue to enhance our industry-leading underwriting workstation with models that assess new business opportunities for risk characteristics with the propensity to produce the highest level of lifetime profitability.

This information helps our field organization focus on the highest priority opportunities, resulting in a greater likelihood of success in winning more accounts that contribute to strong margins. To sum up, Business Insurance had another terrific quarter. We’re pleased with our execution in driving strong financial and production results while continuing to invest in the business for long-term profitable growth. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Jeff.

Jeffrey Klenk: Thanks, Greg. Bond and Specialty delivered very strong third-quarter results. We generated segment income of $250 million and an outstanding combined ratio of 81.6%, nearly one point better than the prior year quarter. The strong underlying combined ratio of 85.8% drove very attractive returns in the segment. Turning to the top line, we grew net written premiums in the quarter to $1.1 billion. In our high-quality domestic management liability business, renewal premium change improved to 3.7% while retention remained strong at 87%. These results reflect our intentional and segmented initiatives to improve pricing in certain lines, with a focus on employment practices liability, cyber, and public company D&O.

We’re pleased with the strong underlying pricing segmentation achieved by our outstanding field organization on both renewal and new business, enabled by our advanced analytics and sophisticated pricing models. New business was lower than in 2024, as Corvus production was reflected as new business in the prior year quarter and is now mostly reflected as renewal premium. Comparisons to prior year new business levels will be similarly impacted for the remainder of the year. Outside of the Corvus impact, we’re pleased with early returns on multiple tech and operational investments we’ve made to drive account growth. For example, in our private and nonprofit business, we’re leveraging predictive analytics and AI to enhance our customer segmentation and sales effectiveness.

We’re pleased that these initiatives drove a 40% increase in new lines of business sold to existing customers as compared to the prior year quarter. Turning to our market-leading surety business, where production can be lumpy based on the timing of bonded construction projects, net written premiums remain strong relative to the record high quarter in the prior year. This reflects our customers’ continued confidence in our industry-leading surety expertise and value-added service offerings, as well as benefits from digital investments we’ve made to enhance distribution experiences in our small commercial surety business.

So we’re pleased to have once again delivered strong results this quarter, driven by our continued underwriting and risk management diligence, excellent execution by our field organization, and the benefits of our market-leading competitive advantages. And with that, I’ll turn the call over to Mike.

Michael Klein: Thanks, Jeff, and good morning, everyone. In Personal Insurance, we delivered third-quarter segment income of $807 million, an excellent result that reflects the continued impact of our disciplined approach to selecting, pricing, and managing risks. The combined ratio of 81.3% improved 11 points relative to the prior year quarter, driven primarily by lower catastrophe losses and a lower underlying combined ratio. The underlying combined ratio of 77.7% was five points better compared to the prior year quarter, driven by continued improvement in both homeowners and other and auto.

Net written premiums of $4.7 billion in the third quarter reflect our continued focus on improving profitability in homeowners while seeking growth in auto as we execute our strategies to deliver appropriate risk-adjusted returns across the portfolio. The ceded premium impact of the enhanced personal insurance excess of loss reinsurance program we announced last quarter reduced net written premium growth in the quarter by one point as the full year’s worth of ceded premium was booked in the third quarter. In auto, the third-quarter combined ratio was very strong at 84.9%, reflecting lower catastrophe losses, a strong underlying combined ratio, and favorable net prior year development.

The underlying combined ratio of 88.3% improved by 2.9 points compared to the prior year quarter. The improvement was driven by favorable loss experience in bodily injury and, to a lesser extent, vehicle coverages. Similar to last year’s third-quarter result, this quarter’s underlying combined ratio included a two-point benefit related to the re-estimation of prior quarters and the current year. The year-to-date underlying combined ratio was also 88.3%, reflecting sustained profitability in an auto book that is larger than it was five years ago, both in terms of premium dollars and policy count.

Looking ahead to 2025, it’s important to remember that the fourth-quarter auto underlying loss ratio has historically been six to seven points above the average for the first three quarters because of winter weather and holiday driving. In Homeowners and Other, the third-quarter combined ratio of 78% improved by 13.5 points compared to the prior year quarter, primarily because of lower catastrophe losses and improvement in the underlying combined ratio. Net prior year development was favorable but lower compared to the prior year. The underlying combined ratio of 68% improved by almost 6.5 points compared to the prior year quarter. The year-over-year favorability in homeowners was primarily related to the benefit of earned pricing, as well as favorable non-catastrophe weather.

Overall, these outstanding results reflect favorable weather conditions throughout the third quarter, along with our actions to manage exposures in high catastrophe risk geographies to help optimize risk and reward. Turning to production, we’re making progress in positioning our diversified portfolio to deliver long-term profitable growth. While our production results don’t quite show it yet, we’re confident that the actions we’re taking will build momentum toward this objective. In domestic auto, retention of 82% remained consistent with recent quarters. Renewal premium change of 3.9% continued to moderate and will continue to decline in the fourth quarter, reflective of improved profitability and our focus on generating growth.

Auto new business premium was up year over year for the fourth consecutive quarter, as new business momentum continued in states less impacted by our property actions. In Homeowners and Other, retention of 84% remained relatively consistent with recent quarters. Renewal premium change remained strong at 18%, as we continue to align replacement costs with insured values. We expect RPC to remain elevated in the fourth quarter and then drop into single digits beginning in early 2026 as values will have largely aligned with replacement costs. We continued to execute actions to reduce exposure and manage volatility in high-risk catastrophe geographies in the quarter, causing further declines in property new business premium and policies in force.

Most of our property actions will be completed by the end of the year, at which point the downward pressure on both property and auto growth should begin to moderate. As we conclude this year and head into 2026, we’re focused on building momentum toward generating profitable growth.

To that end, we have a range of actions currently or soon to be in market, including the following: adjusting pricing, appetite, terms, and conditions to better reflect improved profitability in both Auto and Home; removing temporary binding restrictions and winding down some of our property new non-renewal actions in certain geographies; appointing new agents and partnering with existing agents to consolidate books of business; continuing to modernize our specialty products and platforms; and investing in artificial intelligence and digitization to deliver better experiences for our agents and customers. These messages resonate as we share them in the marketplace, reinforcing our commitment to being the undeniable choice for consumers and an indispensable partner for our agents.

To sum up, we delivered terrific segment income as our team continued to invest in capabilities and deliver value to customers and agents. These results position us well to build on a long track of profitably growing our business over time. Now I’ll turn the call back over to Abby.

Abbe Goldstein: Thanks, Michael. And with that, we’re ready to open up for Q&A.

Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. Your first question today comes from the line of Gregory Peters from Raymond James.

Gregory Peters: Well, good morning, everyone. Boy, you’re producing great bottom line results. Kind of surprising the stock’s down as much as it is on the open. I think it’s probably a reflection of the top line. And I know you spoke in detail about the different headwinds that you’re facing, whether it’s in business insurance, the property, Corvus and Bond and Specialty, or the underwriting actions in personal insurance that have affected your top line. When you go beyond the balance of this year and you start thinking at 26%, 27%, what does the Travelers business model look like in terms of top line growth on a consolidated basis? And how are you thinking about them?

Alan Schnitzer: Hey, good morning, Greg. It’s Alan. Thanks for the thoughts and the question. So we’re not going to give outlook on the top line, as you can imagine. But clearly, we understand that in order to meet our objective of delivering industry-leading return on equity over time, we need to grow over time. So it’s a priority for us. And if you look back over the last couple of years, we’ve been very successful with that. In our, you know, we, as you noted by segment, we’ve talked about what’s driving the results this quarter. But I guess what I would say is we are very confident that we’ve got the right value proposition.

We’re investing in the right capabilities to make sure we’re positioned to grow this business. So we feel very good about the execution in the quarter. We feel very good about what we’ve accomplished in recent periods, and we feel very good about the outlook.

Gregory Peters: Okay. The other I seem to ask this like every other quarter on the technology front, but you keep bringing it up, talked about the digital initiative you have going on in business insurance. Talk about some of the stuff going on in personal insurance. I think one of your peers came out earlier in the third quarter and talked about the potential of artificial intelligence to deliver human resource savings and headcount reductions over time of maybe up to 20%.

I’m just curious if we can just go back to, I know you’ve got best use case on technology and AI, but go back to how you’re thinking about this in the three to five-year period in terms of what it might mean to your expense ratio?

Alan Schnitzer: Yes. So Greg, I’ll tell you, we are very bullish on AI, and we’re leaning into it. You know, we’re spending, you know, more than a billion dollars a year on technology. A lot of that is focused on AI. We expect significant benefits from it. And I think we’ve got a long track record, as I said in my prepared remarks, of identifying the right strategic initiatives and driving value from them. We’re not going to tell you what our plan is for the expense ratio beyond next year, but I’ll also tell you that more than our focus is on the expense ratio, it’s on creating operating leverage.

And that’s what gives us the flexibility to deploy those gains however we want to deploy them. And so maybe it’ll be efficiency, maybe it’ll be productivity, but we are very bullish about the opportunity for investments that we have underway. We’re very bullish about the data we have to fuel the AI. And think that it’ll make a big difference in the years to come.

Gregory Peters: Got it. Thanks for the answers.

Operator: Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of David Motemaden from Evercore. Your line is open.

David Motemaden: Hey, thanks. Good morning. I had a question. You gave the RPC and rate ex property. I was wondering, that’s a new disclosure. Wondering if you can just talk about what that was last quarter versus this quarter and then maybe zooming in specifically in business insurance. What do you guys see in property pricing outside of national property this quarter?

Greg Toczydlowski: Yes, certainly. Well, on the first one, David, it is a metric that we’re not going to give every quarter, and we’re not going to go back and give that. We offered it up this quarter just to give you some color and let you know how much property the leverage it had on the pricing for this particular quarter. As we’ve shared with you, the large property has definitely been a market where typically leads in terms of when softening may happen, and it certainly has been the case over the last couple of quarters. In the select and middle market, to directly answer your question, we continue to get positive price increases there.

But it’s certainly, we’re feeling some deceleration. But again, certainly still seeing positive increases.

David Motemaden: Got it. Thank you. And then maybe this is just sort of related to your answer there. But on business insurance premium growth by market. So it’s good to see the tick up in select year over year and national accounts, you know, sort of we know the story there. But I’m surprised we saw the deceleration in growth in middle market. I was hoping you could just impact that a little bit. Is that just sort of the property dynamics you just mentioned?

Greg Toczydlowski: Yes. And if you’re looking at overall quarter of middle market, I think you’re reading that wrong. The quarter alone was up for middle market 7% relative to year to date of five.

David Motemaden: Got it. Yeah. No, I was just looking at the because I know 1Q had the reinsurance dynamic. So I was just comparing it to 2Q, the 10 decelerating to seven. That’s what I was looking at there. But, no, appreciate the answer.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Mike Zaremski from BMO. Your line is open.

Michael Zaremski: Great. My first question is on the loss cost trend line. I know it’s not easy pinning a broad brush, but if we look at kind of your reserve release trend line, loss ratio trend line, we’re also adding IBNR. But a lot of good things going on. Curious if your view on loss cost inflation has changed at all or directionally, is it the I feel like you’ve only raised it over recent years. Over long periods of time. It flattening out? Thanks.

Dan Frey: Hey, Mike, it’s Dan. So another quarter of net favorable PYD despite the asbestos charge. I don’t really think you can put a trend on PYD. Really what matters for us is in aggregate across the enterprise is that favorable or unfavorable, and we’ve got now a very long track record of generally having that favorable. As it relates to loss trend, we haven’t explicitly commented on loss trend for a while because we think it’s just too narrow a way to look at the business in terms of what’s pure rate versus what’s some blended number of loss trend, but it hasn’t moved dramatically in recent periods. Alan’s talked about that in prior quarters.

We do take a look at it every quarter. Some lines do move up a little bit. Some lines do move down a little bit over time. But it’s been pretty stable for a while now. Mike, there was nothing in the quarter that particularly surprised us when it comes to loss activity.

Michael Zaremski: Okay, great. And my follow-up is honing in on the home segment. Maybe you need a comment on auto too since there’s a lot of bundle in there. But if we look at the RPC trends, they remain very high on I’m assuming there’s terms and conditions changes that you’re incorporating in kind of those double-digit RPC increases. But the last few years haven’t been great for you all in the industry. Consensus kind of has you guys pegged at a 95 combined ratio for the foreseeable future in home. If you can kind of remind us what do we expect RPC to eventually fall? Are those terms and conditions changes going to help?

Is 95% the right combined ratio that you guys are targeting given how profitable auto is? Thanks.

Michael Klein: Sure. Thanks, Mike. It’s Michael. So just to unpack the RPC part of your question for starters, as I mentioned in my prepared remarks, RPC remains elevated. Again, it’s rate and exposure, right? So RPC remains elevated largely because we’re raising insured limits to keep up with rising replacement costs. And my point about RPC dropping to single digits in 2026 is we’ll have largely caught up in getting replacement costs in line with insured values. And so the change in RPC as we head into 2026 will really be those the premium impact from increasing coverage A, the dwelling limits on property coming back to more normal levels.

Yes, baked into RPC is also a reflection of a number of the other actions we’re taking on the book. I think increasing deductibles, particularly across the Midwest, think different strategies around targeted limits on how big a coverage A we’re going to write in some hail-prone geographies, other things like that are all rolled into that figure. And again, I think it’s just reflective of the actions that we’re taking to improve the profitability of that book. As respect to target combined ratio, we’re not going to really disclose the target combined ratio by line. We are certainly encouraged by the progress we’ve made, particularly in improving the underlying combined ratio in property.

It’s down period to period, quarter over quarter for something like the last ten or eleven quarters in a row. So it’s demonstrative of the progress that we’re making there. And again, continue to be pleased with our progress there.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Meyer Shields from KBW. Your line is open.

Meyer Shields: Great, thanks. Good morning. I don’t know if this is a question for Alan or Greg, but is there really a disentangling the how much of a property premium decline in BI is from nonrenewed business as opposed to accepting lower rates because you still have adequacy?

Alan Schnitzer: Meyer, I don’t think we’re gonna unpack that. Certainly not right here right now. I don’t think we’re gonna get into that level of detail. And I honestly, we don’t have that level of data at our fingertips right now.

Meyer Shields: Okay. Fair enough. Also, to talk a little bit, Michael talked about, I guess, book rolls in personal lines. Does that involve any changes to agency commissions? Or what other tools are you using to encourage that?

Michael Klein: Sure, Meyer. Thanks for the question. Yes. So typically, and again, book growth consolidations in the personal lines space are pretty much standard operating procedure. We had stepped away from them. The reason I mentioned it is because we had stepped away from them as we were working to improve profitability. And I think it’s an important point to recognize that we’re back actively engaged in the marketplace in those conversations with agents looking for situations where their book of business may be disrupted for one reason or another. It is fairly typical in a book consolidation scenario to offer enhanced commission on that book roll for the first term as that business comes over.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Tracey Banque from Wolfe Research. Your line is open.

Tracey Banque: Good morning. My first question is for Mike. I’m curious what you’re seeing that’s driving favorable loss experience in bodily injury. And, to a lesser extent, vehicle coverages?

Michael Klein: Tracy. Thanks for the question. I mean, really is a combination of favorable frequency in both bodily injury and physical damage losses, as well as continued moderation in severity again really across coverages.

Tracey Banque: Got it. And a follow-up on Dan’s comment about elevated level of capital liquidity. Driven by your earnings that’s well in excess of your investment needed to growth. As you know, capital is a big focus for me. And I’ve really not seen so much excess capital for the entire sector. Is it fair to assume that your excess capital position surpasses the buyback targets you shared and could we expect concurrent deployment of capital on the technology side and or M and A.

Dan Frey: Yes, Tracy, it’s Dan. So I think I understand the question. So I guess I’d start by saying, look, there’s no change at all to what has been now our long-standing capital management philosophy, which is we’ve got a business that’s generating terrific margins. We generate a lot of capital. We generate more than we need just to support the growth of the business. First objective for that excess capital is going to be to find a way to deploy it and generate a return. And so we’ll make all the technology investments that we think we can and should make. Always be open to M and A, open to any opportunity to generate returns on an excess capital.

Once we’ve exhausted all those opportunities, then it’s not our capital, it’s the shareholders we’re going to give it back through dividends and buybacks.

Tracey Banque: Got it. Thank you.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Robert Cox from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Robert Cox: Hey, thanks. Good morning. Yes, just wanted to go back to the removal of the growth restrictions. It looks like a couple of parts of the business, CMP, within Select and then also in homeowners you give us a sense of how much business is being unlocked for growth here? And if easing those can result in a noticeable uplift in growth?

Greg Toczydlowski: Robert, this is Greg. I’ll start off and then Michael can talk about the PI. We’ve been talking about the select mix optimization for some time now. And as we begin to finalize some of those actions, you saw a slight tick up in our retention. We’re not really going to quantify what that means for overall growth, but that was the reason that we pointed out the slight pickup in retention.

Michael Klein: Yeah. And Robert, Michael, up here on the personal lines side. I think the important point to note in terms of the impact on growth in personal insurance as we relax those property restrictions as our goal is to leverage that property capacity to write package business. And so if you my suggestion, if you want to sort of dimensionalize it, is just look back historically at retention in new business levels in property and in auto. You can see that retention remains depressed right now given the actions we’re taking. Again, the property actions depressed retention in both lines.

And you can see particularly in property the new business levels are pretty significantly depressed relative to what they’ve run historically. And so those levers, I think, would give you a way to kind of dimensionalize it.

Robert Cox: Okay, great. Thanks for the color there. And then I just wanted to follow-up on the business insurance underlying loss ratio. When you think about the margin improvements during this year, are we seeing improved picks in casualty at all? Or is the improvement year to date largely been a shift lower in some of the shorter tail exposures?

Dan Frey: Hey, Rob, it’s Dan. Look, I think if you look at the improvement in you’re talking about business insurance specifically, right?

Robert Cox: Yes. Is that correct?

Dan Frey: Yes. I think the single biggest factor we’d say in terms of that sort of 50 basis point improvement on a year-to-date basis has been the continued benefit of earned price. So in the casualty lines especially, and we’ve talked about this a couple of times, we’re continuing to include some provision for a level of uncertainty in those lines that we think is going to serve us well in the long term as opposed to taking those picks down the improvement in the loss ratio. You have other things that impact every quarter too. Mix will change a little bit.

But headline number the main driver of the improvement year over year has been the continued benefit of earned price.

Robert Cox: Thank you.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Elyse Greenspan from Wells Fargo. Your line is open.

Elyse Greenspan: Hi, good morning. I guess I want to stick there with business insurance. So if we look I guess, just specifically at the underlying loss ratio that was stable year over year in the Q3. So I’m not sure if there were certain pushes and pulls that you want to point out specific to the third quarter or if maybe this quarter rate you know, earned rate, you know, got close to trend and that’s kind of what we’re seeing in the numbers. And just how do we think from here, you know, just given, you know, slowing pricing, which I know is mostly driven by fiber property, do we think about just the underlying loss ratio and BI?

Should we think about that starting to deteriorate as rate gets closer to trend?

Dan Frey: Yeah. Good morning, Elyse. Let’s just start with where the margins are in business. I mean, they are pretty spectacular margins. And I don’t think we’re to parse out that level of detail. We’re certainly not going to get into what the outlook for margins is. But I’ll tell you at these margins, we really like the margins and we really like the business that we’re putting on the books at these margins.

Elyse Greenspan: Okay. And then I guess, you know, my second question would be, I guess, maybe shifting to personal auto. Have you guys did you guys see any impact of tariffs at all in the quarter, whether it was September relative to July and August? And how are you guys currently thinking about a potential impact of tariffs on the margins in that business?

Michael Klein: Sure Elyse, it’s Michael. Thanks for the question. I would say we haven’t seen a ton of impact to date from tariffs. But our results for the third quarter do include a small impact from tariffs. That said, it’s well below the single-digit severity numbers that we discussed a couple of quarters ago. There certainly is the potential for that impact to grow the longer tariffs remain in effect. As you know, it’s a very fluid situation. Tariff changes weekly, daily, fairly frequently. So predicting is challenging, but we are keeping a very close eye on it. To your point, there are some external industries that show some moderate increases. Others look largely unaffected.

So we’re going to continue to closely monitor it. But there is a little bit of a provision in the third quarter results for tariff increases, but it’s not yet at the level that we had potentially forecast. And just to be clear, Michael, correct me if I’m wrong, we’ve got a provision in there because we expected that we might see it. We’re not really seeing it in any meaningful way.

Michael Klein: Yes. It’s significant. Again, we’re seeing it on the margins, and so we booked the provision for it. But again, well below the mid-single-digit level that we had described before.

Elyse Greenspan: Thank you.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Paul Newsome from Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Paul Newsome: Good morning. Yesterday, Progressive gave us a little unpleasant news about their poor charge. Just curious if that is something that you’ve looked at yourself and I’m also curious about the accounting related to these kinds of things. I know that orders not unique. There are other states that have restrictions on proper on profitability. Just curious about how you account for that as well.

Michael Klein: Sure, Paul. It’s Michael. I’ll start with sort of response on the overall situation. Maybe Dan can chime in on accounting. The Florida excess profit provision and the statute isn’t actually a new thing. It’s sort of standard operating procedure in Florida. It’s actually fairly infrequent that people have to return premiums given the statute. What I would say about our business in Florida is we’re pleased with our auto business in Florida. But we don’t expect to need to make a return of premium to policyholders in Florida due to excess profits for the 2023 to 2025 accident year period for which we would make the filing in 2026.

The other thing I would say is given the size of our business in Florida, think of our Florida auto business less than 10% of our PI auto business. Think of the Florida PI auto business 1.5% of Travelers’ overall premium. I mean, it’s just not going to be a significant issue for the organization even if we were to need to make a return of premium, which we don’t anticipate.

Dan Frey: Then Paul, it’s Dan. With regard to the accounting, I guess I’m going to not give a definitive answer. And one of the reasons I won’t give a definitive answer is if you go back to COVID, when we and some of our peer companies returned premium because frequency and losses declined so rapidly, so quickly, not every company accounted for that the same way. So we had a view of how that should be accounting for. That’s what we reflected in our results. Other peer companies had slightly different view of how that should be accounted for.

And reflected it differently in their results, by which I mean some companies took that as an expense, some companies took that as a return to premium. And as Michael said, since we’ve not had to deal with the Florida excess profit issue, we haven’t done a real deep dive on how we think it would come through the P and L. But most importantly, I think as Michael said, we ever had it, we wouldn’t expect it to be much of an impact on our consolidated results in any event.

Paul Newsome: Great. That’s super helpful. That’s all I had. Appreciate it.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Josh Shanker from Bank of America. Your line is open.

Josh Shanker: Yes. Very much for taking my question here at the end. I was trying to understand a little bit about the retention effective retention numbers that you give in the back of the supplement about auto and home. Your retention bottomed, I guess, about three quarters ago. And it’s ticked up, but you’re still losing more of cars or more policies than you were before. Is that a projected retention based on where you’re pricing the business today, or have you already seen retention bottom and it’s improving here?

Dan Frey: Josh, it’s Dan. So retention is a way that we try to give you color relative to what’s the change in net written premium. So a couple of things we know definitively. We know definitively at any point in time how many policies are enforced. We give you that number. We know definitively at any point in time how much premium made it into the ledger. We give you that number. Production statistics like retention, renewal premium change, new business, are all in the disclosure say. They’re all subject to actuarial estimate of what do we think the ultimate retention is going to be.

Because you could start on day one of a policy and look like you’d retained all of them, but we know that there’s some peer period of those that are going to cancel early in the term and either go somewhere else or drop their insurance. So it’s very challenging to do, I think, you’re trying to do at a very specific level and go A plus B equals C. Production statistics are really color around what’s happening with the top line. And I’m sorry, can’t give you a more helpful answer than that.

Josh Shanker: If I look back at 3Q 2024, is that a more because now you have all that data. Is that a more accurate representation of what you know to have happened over the past year?

Dan Frey: Production statistics do get updated. So if you went back in true in business insurance, true in personal insurance, if you looked at historical quarters, you could almost do a triangle of what was retention as originally reported because it’s an estimate. We true those up as time goes on.

Josh Shanker: And can you confidently say, and I’ll leave it at this, that retention has improved from where it was a year ago, or it’s still not certain?

Dan Frey: I think we’re pretty confident in saying that retention has improved from where it was a year ago.

Josh Shanker: Okay. Thank you.

Operator: Your next question comes from the line of Alex Scott from Barclays. Your line is open.

Alex Scott: Hey, thanks. First one I have is on commercial auto and general liability. Just noticing, you know, those are, you know, sort of the lines where net written premium is growing more and was just interested in if that’s more a reflection of, you know, the rate’s obviously different there than maybe some of the other lines where there’s pressure. But, you know, is there anything about the commercial auto product launch and some of the things you’re doing that are actually causing you to lean into businesses a little more?

Greg Toczydlowski: Hey, Alex. This is Greg. You know, just to get the second part of your question, we did roll out a new automobile product across all business insurance that includes select and middle market that would roll up into the aggregate commercial auto numbers. So we do think that’s our most sophisticated product in auto that we brought into the marketplace. So that helps us from a segmentation point of view. But we’ve been very thoughtful around our growth in commercial auto. The thrust of what you’re seeing there in premium deltas really is based on renewal premium change. And that’s why I gave you some of that color in my prepared comments at a product line level.

Alex Scott: Got it. Okay. That’s helpful. And over in personal lines, I mean, the appetite you’ve been pretty clear on in that should help on the growth front. Is there anything from just a marketing spend kind of standpoint and thinking through the expense ratio that we should be aware of is you think through ramping up growth?

Michael Klein: Sure, Alex. It’s Michael. I would say that on the margins, we have increased our marketing spend in personal insurance largely in support of our direct-to-consumer business. But it’s a very different ballgame for us than marketing spend other places. Our direct-to-consumer business is less than 10% of our overall business. So we are on the margin increasing marketing spend there to drive more growth. But it doesn’t have a dramatic impact on the overall financial results of the business.

Alex Scott: Got it. Thank you.

Operator: And we have time for one more question. And that question comes from the line of Ryan Tunis from Cantor. Your line is open.

Ryan Tunis: I just had a question, just one on in business insurance, just on incurred loss. But I guess it’s, in national property, we don’t trend losses like we do or property for that matter. We trend losses like we do with other stuff, but certainly are still attritional losses on that line. I guess I’m just curious if those attritional losses have run better or worse or in line with your expectations so far this year? Thanks.

Dan Frey: Hey, Ryan, it’s Dan. I think the quarter results are really strong. Weather was generally leaning towards favorable, including in business insurance. If you’re wondering about whether it’s so significant that we would say this isn’t really a clean jump-off point for business insurance and you’d make some big adjustment, we would say no sort of inside of the normal realm of variability from quarter to quarter, but leaning towards the favorable.

Operator: And we have reached the end of our question and answer session. I will now turn the call back over to Abby Goldstein for closing remarks.

Abbe Goldstein: Thanks, everyone, for joining us today. And as always, please follow up with Investor Relations if you have any other questions. Have a good day.

Operator: This concludes today’s conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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J.B. Hunt (JBHT) Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

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DATE

Wednesday, October 15, 2025 at 5:00 p.m. ET

CALL PARTICIPANTS

Chief Executive Officer — Shelley Simpson

Chief Financial Officer — Brad Delco

Executive Vice President, Commercial — Spencer Frazier

Chief Operating Officer — Nick Hobbs

President, Highway Services — Brad Hicks

President, Intermodal — Darren Field

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TAKEAWAYS

Revenue — Roughly flat year over year, indicating limited top-line growth in a soft freight demand environment.

Operating income — Operating income improved 8% compared to the prior year period, reflecting successful cost discipline and margin repair efforts.

Diluted earnings per share — Diluted earnings per share increased 18% compared to the prior year period, despite inflationary headwinds in insurance, wages, and equipment costs.

Share repurchases — Over $780 million used to buy back 5.4 million shares year to date, maintaining balance sheet leverage around one times trailing twelve-month EBITDA.

Cost reduction initiative — More than $20 million of structural costs eliminated, with the majority of the $100 million target expected to be realized in 2026.

Intermodal volume — Decreased 1% year over year, with monthly trends of -3% in July, -2% in August, and flat in September.

Dedicated Contract Services (DCS) sales — Approximately 280 trucks sold, with ongoing visibility to fleet losses resulting in a truck count decline of about 85 units sequentially.

DCS margins — Maintained double-digit margins despite mature location losses and startup costs for new business.

ICS (Brokerage) rates — Reflecting improved new customer wins during the bid season.

Net Promoter Score (NPS) — Achieved a score of 53 in Intermodal.

Final Mile Services — Ongoing demand weakness for furniture, exercise equipment, and appliances, with challenged market conditions expected through year-end and anticipated legacy appliance business losses in 2026.

Safety performance — Achieved record-low DOT preventable accidents per million miles for the third consecutive year, improving further through the current period.

Regulatory impact — Recent U.S. regulations, such as English language proficiency and non-domiciled CDL, are reducing industry capacity but are not materially affecting the company’s own operations.

Technology & automation — Deployed 50 AI agents, automated 60% of third-party check calls, more than 73% of orders are auto-accepted, automated 80% of paper invoice payments, and saved about 100,000 hours annually across highway, dedicated, and CE teams.

Capital allocation priorities — Investment in the business is prioritized over buybacks and dividends, with an emphasis on maintaining investment-grade leverage.

SUMMARY

Management of J.B. Hunt Transport Services (JBHT -0.53%) reiterated strategic clarity on long-term operational excellence, pursuing aggressive cost reductions and process automation to strengthen margins in challenging market conditions. Executive commentary directly addressed the implications of rail industry consolidation, emphasizing the company’s experience in prior mergers and robust long-term agreements with key rail providers. Sequential volume trends in Intermodal highlighted ongoing softness offset by service-driven share gains. Technology deployment and automation initiatives were positioned as critical levers for future efficiency gains and margin sustainability. Near-term expectations for DCS and Final Mile Services included persistent end-market headwinds but pointed to a return to modest fleet growth and targeted business mix shifts in 2025 and 2026. The company explicitly reaffirmed its balanced capital allocation strategy focused on core investment.

Simpson stated, “we are making good progress towards reaching our $100 million savings goal and advancing towards our long-term margin target.”

Delco highlighted, “productivity and cost management efforts more than offset those headwinds to drive our improved results.”

Frazier noted, “truckload capacity continued to exit the market, and the pace of exits is accelerating,” though soft demand is limiting immediate pricing effects.

Spencer Frazier explained that intermodal volumes benefited from conversions “primarily because more customers are converting freight to intermodal from the highway as they see our commitment to operational excellence differentiating J.B. Hunt Transport Services, Inc.”

Brad Delco directly attributed recent improvements to “service efficiencies, balancing our networks, dynamically serving customers to meet their needs, focusing even more on discretionary spending, and driving greater asset utilization.”

Hicks indicated DCS expects “operating income to be approximately flat compared to 2024,” with potential for further growth in 2026 driven by new business startups.

Simpson emphasized strategic adaptability to rail consolidation: “our scale and influence allow us to coordinate complex intermodal moves and deliver unique solutions for our customers.”

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

Drayage: The movement of freight over a short distance, typically as part of an intermodal shipment within a port or between rail terminals and customer locations.

DOT preventable accident rate: A safety performance measure calculated as the number of Department of Transportation (DOT)-recordable, preventable accidents per million miles driven.

Steel wheel interchange: The movement of an intermodal rail container car between two railroads without unloading the cargo, typically using physical rail routing connections.

Headhaul/Backhaul: ‘Headhaul’ refers to high-demand freight moves in a preferred direction, often at higher rates; ‘Backhaul’ refers to return moves that typically have lower rates or less freight volume.

IMC: Intermodal Marketing Company — a non-asset third-party intermediary arranging intermodal freight movement between shippers and railroads/trucking firms.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Shelley Simpson: Thank you, Andrew, and good afternoon. Throughout the year, our focus has been on three clear priorities: operational excellence, scaling into our investments, and continuing to repair our margins to drive stronger financial performance. We are executing these priorities with discipline and determination, guided by a strategy designed to strengthen our competitive position and unlock long-term value for our shareholders. I am highly confident that our approach is building a stronger company, one that is fully equipped to capitalize on meaningful growth opportunities ahead while driving stronger financial performance. Across our businesses, service levels remain excellent. We have systemically elevated our service standards to drive disciplined profitable growth with both new and existing customers.

Even as overall freight demand softened during the quarter, our unwavering commitment to service enabled our intermodal and highway businesses to capture additional volume and outperform the market. Operational excellence is now synonymous with J.B. Hunt Transport Services, Inc., and we are leveraging this reputation to drive strategic growth and maximize returns on our investments to match the unique value and strong service levels we provide for customers. We remain focused on controlling what we can, optimizing costs in the near term without sacrificing our future earnings power potential. In addition, we are placing a heightened emphasis on operational efficiency throughout the organization.

By streamlining processes, adopting best practices, and leveraging technology, we aim to utilize every resource as effectively as possible to maximize productivity and performance. Our initiative to lower our cost to serve, announced last quarter, is focused on removing structural costs from our business. The organization’s collaborative efforts continue to gain momentum, and Brad will share more details on our progress. This initiative marks our latest evolution in expense discipline, and we are making good progress towards reaching our $100 million savings goal and advancing towards our long-term margin target. Now, let me address the elephant in the room: rail consolidation. J.B.

Hunt Transport Services, Inc.’s position is rooted in our commitment to delivering exceptional intermodal service and creating long-term value for our customers and shareholders. We recognize both the opportunities and risks that consolidation presents. But our decades of experience, including navigating seven prior Class I railroad mergers, and our thoughtfully developed long-term agreements and strong relationships with NS, CSX, and BNSF should provide the basis for us to adapt to any changes in the industry. As the largest domestic intermodal provider, our scale and influence allow us to coordinate complex intermodal moves and deliver unique solutions for our customers. We are consistently rated best in class by third-party industry surveys of intermodal customers.

And our ability to deliver seamless, differentiated service across the entire North American intermodal network is a key competitive advantage. Our focus remains on providing reliable, efficient, and innovative service that benefits our customers now and into the future. As the rail industry evolves, we expect our proven adaptability and unwavering dedication to service will not only safeguard our leadership position but should also continuously set higher standards of excellence for our customers. I want to close by recognizing the entire organization for their hard work and progress across many areas of focus. The third quarter is extra special at J.B. Hunt Transport Services, Inc. as it includes National Truck Driver and National Technician Appreciation Week.

Our professional drivers and maintenance teams are the backbone of our success. And their record-breaking safety performance is a testament to their skill, dedication, and attention to safety every day. We appreciate all they do to keep our company, our customers, and our communities safe. With that, I’d like to turn the call over to our newly appointed CFO, Brad Delco.

Brad Delco: Thanks, Shelley, and good afternoon. I will hit on some highlights of the quarter, review our capital allocation plan, and give an update on the lowering our cost to serve initiative. Let me start with the quarter. As you have already seen from our release, revenue was roughly flat year over year while operating income improved 8% and diluted earnings per share improved 18% versus the prior year period. While inflation in insurance, wages, and employee benefits and equipment costs were all up, our productivity and cost management efforts more than offset those headwinds to drive our improved results.

Over the years, you have heard us talk about investing in our long-term growth, maintaining cost discipline without jeopardizing our future earnings power, and creating operating leverage when the market returns. Well, it’s no secret the market hasn’t returned yet, but the notable improvement in our financial performance this quarter should serve as a true testament to the talent and capabilities of the people throughout our organization and the execution of our strategy towards operational excellence in safety, service, and lowering our cost to serve. On capital allocation, our balance sheet remains healthy, maintaining leverage around our target of one times trailing twelve-month EBITDA while purchasing over $780 million or 5.4 million shares of our stock year to date.

This aligns with our messaging around prefunding our long-term future growth during the downturn and having the flexibility with the strong cash flow generation of the business to be opportunistic with share repurchases as a way to return value to our shareholders. We will be disciplined in our capital allocation approach with investing in the business as priority number one, sustaining our investment-grade balance sheet, supporting future dividend growth, and finally continuing our opportunistic repurchases. Last quarter, we outlined our lowering our cost serve initiative to remove $100 million of structural costs from the business. I’m happy to share we are off to a good start, having eliminated greater than $20 million in the quarter.

Examples of our success are in service efficiencies, balancing our networks, dynamically serving customers to meet their needs, focusing even more on discretionary spending, and driving greater asset utilization. We remain committed to updating you on our progress going forward. But our intent is to demonstrate our progress in our reported results rather than just speak to them. As we noted last quarter, we will realize a portion of these benefits this year, with the majority of the impact realized in 2026. Let me close with this and what I hope you take away from our quarter. First, our company continues to execute from a position of strength.

We have been transparent with our strategy, our investments to be best prepared to service our customers’ future capacity needs. Second, we also continue to remove structural costs from the business. We are off to a good start and have more work to do. Third, our business continues to generate a significant amount of cash, and we remain focused on generating strong returns with our deployed capital. We have been opportunistic with our share repurchases, all while maintaining modest leverage on our balance sheet. That concludes my remarks. Now I’d like to turn it over to Spencer.

Spencer Frazier: Thank you, Brad, and good afternoon. I’ll provide an update on our view of the market and some feedback we are hearing from our customers. Overall demand trended below normal seasonality for much of the quarter outside of the seasonal lift we saw at quarter-end. On the supply side, truckload capacity continued to exit the market, and the pace of exits is accelerating. But the soft demand environment is likely muting the market impact of capacity attrition. Outside of recent weeks, truckload spot rates remained under pressure in the quarter. More recent regulatory developments and, more importantly, regulatory enforcement is having an impact on capacity.

While this industry may have a chicken little reputation when it comes to predicting capacity changes, the capacity bubble may be deflating as we speak. In the near term, customers will remain skeptical of any predicted change, only believing it when they experience it. Shifting to intermodal, volumes declined 1% year over year. We believe our volumes held up better relative to the broader truckload market decline, primarily because more customers are converting freight to intermodal from the highway as they see our commitment to operational excellence differentiating J.B. Hunt Transport Services, Inc. Intermodal from the competition.

The service we provide ranks us at the top of our customer scorecards, and we continue to be ranked at the top of industry surveys as well, with a Net Promoter Score of 53. When we go to market, we work with customers to dynamically solve their supply chain needs by designing and executing our operations to meet their requirements. For example, in our intermodal business, customers trust us to select the most efficient service regardless of the rail provider to seamlessly move their freight throughout North America. Today, roughly half of our interchange volume on transcontinental shipments occurs through a steel wheel interchange.

This ratio can change dynamically and demonstrates our ability to be agile at scale to execute and meet our customer expectations. Regardless of how the rail landscape and operating scenarios might change over the next couple of years, we remain committed to delivering exceptional service and growing with our customers. Regarding the current peak season, the strong container volume into the West Coast in July generated headlines regarding a potential pull forward. Ocean peak season came early. That said, it is important to disconnect the timing of peak season on the water from the peak season of the inland supply chain. Our customers are still expecting a peak season, although the magnitude and duration of peak volumes will vary.

Our conversations indicate there is a large amount of freight that was imported early that hasn’t moved through the inland supply chain yet. No one has canceled Christmas. I’ll close with some customer feedback. Our customers realize the financial health of the transportation industry is not great. And as a result, they are choosing to do more with the best carriers and more with fewer carriers. Shippers are focused on creating efficiencies in their supply chains by working with providers who are safe and financially sound and who execute with agility and predictability. Our scroll of services continues to operate from a position of strength, creating value as the go-to transportation provider for our customers.

I would now like to turn the call over to Nick.

Nick Hobbs: Thanks, Spencer, and good afternoon. I’ll provide an update on our areas of focus across our operations, followed by an update on our Final Mile, truckload, and brokerage businesses. I’ll start on our safety performance. Safety is a core piece of our culture and a key differentiator of our value proposition in the market. We are coming off of two consecutive years of record performance measured by DOT preventable accidents per million miles, and our safety results through the third quarter are performing even better than these record performances. This performance is a testament to our people and the attention to detail they bring to the job every day, as well as our focus on proper training and technology.

Our safety performance is a key piece of driving out cost and will continue to be an area of focus. While the ultimate impact on industry capacity is hard to pinpoint, we believe the recent developments on regulations and enforcement, when taken together, could have a noticeable impact on available industry capacity. These include new regulations around English language proficiency, B1 Visas, FMCSA, biometric ID verification, and non-domiciled CDLs. Importantly, for J.B. Hunt Transport Services, Inc., we do not expect to see any material impact on our capacity. There have been some signs based on what we are seeing in our truck and brokerage operations that it could have a broader industry impact.

Moving to the business, let’s start with the final mile. As we said last quarter, business conditions in our end markets remain challenged with soft demand for furniture, exercise equipment, and appliances. We continue to see positive demand in our fulfillment network driven by off-price retail. Going forward, we expect market conditions to remain challenged through at least year-end. Our focus remains on providing the highest service levels, being safe and secure, ensuring that the value we provide in the market is realized to drive appropriate returns. In 2026, we do anticipate losing some legacy appliance-related business, but we will be working diligently on backfilling with other brands and service offerings in this segment of our business.

Moving to JBT, our focus in this business hasn’t changed, and we are winning business with strong service from both new and existing customers, leading to our highest quarterly volume in over a decade. We are remaining disciplined with our growth to ensure our network remains balanced in order to drive the best utilization of our trailing assets. Going forward, we are pleased with the direction of this business in this soft demand environment and the progress we are making on lowering our cost to serve. We see an opportunity for further efficiency and automation gains in the future as we continue to leverage our 360 platform.

That said, meaningful improvements in our profitability in this business will be driven by greater levels of rate improvement and overall demand for truckload drop trailing solutions. I’ll close with ICS. During the third quarter, volumes modestly improved sequentially as new volume from recent bid wins was partially offset by soft demand in the overall truckload market. Truckload spot rates remained depressed throughout the quarter, but we saw gross margins remain healthy. We are almost through bid season and are pleased with the awards we have received, with rates up low to mid-single digits, winning volume with new customers. Our focus here remains on profitable growth with the right customers where we can differentiate ourselves with service.

Going forward, we will remain focused on scaling into our while continuing to make improvements to our cost structure and leveraging our 360 platform to drive greater efficiency and automation, which will help lower our cost to serve. With that, I’d now like to turn the call over to Brad.

Brad Hicks: Thanks, Nick, and good afternoon everybody. I’ll provide an update on our dedicated results. Starting with the quarter, at a high level, our third quarter results were very strong, particularly in light of this challenging freight environment. We believe our results are a testament to the strength and diversification of our model, the value we create for our customers, and how we drive accountability at each site and customer location. As a result, we continue to see good demand for our professional outsourced private fleet solutions. During the third quarter, we sold approximately 280 trucks of new deals.

As a reminder, our annual net sales target is for 800 to 1,000 new trucks per year, and we would be on pace with this target absent the known losses disclosed almost two years ago. Encouragingly, our overall sales pipeline remains strong as our value proposition in the market remains differentiated. Our sales cycle in dedicated is typically eighteen months from start to finish, and our pipeline includes both large and small fleets at various stages of completion, all underwritten to our return targets. Overall, I remain pleased with the momentum and activity in the pipeline.

As I just mentioned and as we have communicated over the past eighteen months, we have had visibility to fleet losses that wrapped up in early July, which negatively impacted our third quarter ’25 truck count by about 85 trucks versus our second quarter results. Navigating through these losses, in addition to call outs we’ve had related to some customer bankruptcies and the overall market dynamics, demonstrates our discipline and strong execution. While we were losing locations that had historically delivered mature margins, we were simultaneously absorbing startup costs from onboarding new business. Despite facing these two margin pressures, we still maintain double-digit margins during this period. I am extremely proud of all of our teams for their effort.

Hope going forward, knowing that most of our fleet losses are behind us, is that we are back on track with our net fleet growth plan moving forward. We believe the performance of our dedicated business has been a standout not only for our company but also the industry. We have great visibility into the financial performance of each account, which provides a high level of accountability at each location and a diversified customer base with our managers on-site with our customers, which we believe creates unique value that is a differentiator for us. Going forward, with our known losses behind us, our expectation for modest fleet growth in 2025 has not changed.

As we have said previously, when we sell new truck deals, and that business starts up, we do incur some expenses as that business is onboarded. That said, this isn’t new for us. We are starting up new customer locations each quarter. Given our progress with respect to lowering our cost to serve, we expect our 2025 operating income to be approximately flat compared to 2024. The magnitude of any potential variance higher or lower to this outlook will be driven by the number of locations we start up during the quarter. We believe the setup is favorable for us to continue our growth trajectory in 2026 and beyond.

Our business model and value proposition are differentiated in the market and continue to attract new customers. We remain confident in our ability to compound our growth over many years to further penetrate our large addressable market. With that, I’d like to turn it over to Darren.

Darren Field: Thank you, Brad. Thank you to everyone for joining us this afternoon. I’d like to start by saying I feel really good about our performance and how our strategy and solid execution drove meaningful improvements in our results. I believe this is a true testament to our focus on operational excellence, cost discipline, and progress on lowering our cost serve initiative. Before we get into more detail on the results, I want to follow up on some of Shelley’s comments regarding the potential for Class I rail consolidation. First, there are still a lot of unknowns. But I am confident J.B.

Hunt Transport Services, Inc. should be a primary consideration and actively engaged in all discussions involving the future of the intermodal industry as well as the execution of all Class one’s desire to take share from the highway to grow their intermodal service offering. We have offered seamless transcontinental intermodal services for decades, connecting BNSF with both Eastern railroads, and believe that opportunity could exist well into the future regardless of the various outcomes we know are either announced or speculated in the market.

We continue to see a large opportunity to convert highway shipments to intermodal, and if the motivation for consolidation is to compete more with trucks, we believe this will present our industry-leading intermodal franchise additional growth opportunities. We are one of the largest purchasers of rail capacity in North America, and we will engage in discussions with all rail providers to execute on a strategy and plan that we think is in the best interest of our shareholders. Turning to the quarter, demand for our domestic intermodal service wasn’t all that strong, but nonetheless, we saw sequential improvement in volumes and executed some of the most efficient dray service in our history, particularly in September.

As Spencer mentioned, we still expect the peak season as lots of volume that moved on the water earlier this year will still need to advance in the inland supply chain ahead of the holidays. Volumes in the quarter were down 1% year over year and by month were down 3% in July, down 2% in August, and flat in September. After seeing unique strength off the West Coast last year due to the threat of the East Coast port labor disruption, TransCon volumes were down percent in the quarter, while Eastern loads were up 6%.

As we’ve communicated all year, we had a bid season strategy focused on getting better balance in our network to grow volumes and repair our margins with more price, particularly in our headhaul lanes. Last quarter, we talked about our success in the bid season, particularly around balance, and we think that success combined with our lowering our cost to serve initiatives were key contributors to our year-over-year and sequential performance improvement. Our service performance remains strong. Our primary rail providers BNSF, NS, and CSX continue to deliver excellent service, which we believe is taking share from Highway. I am confident our service offering is being recognized in the market.

Customers are reengaging with us with additional opportunities largely driven by our differentiated service and value compared to both highway and IMCs. As you all are keenly aware, we have the capacity and ability to execute on a meaningful growth plan over the coming years based on investments we’ve already made. In closing, we remain very confident in our intermodal franchise and the value we provide for our customers. We have shown the ability to grow and generate strong returns through many rail consolidation events over the past few decades and look forward to the opportunities we have in front of us. With that, I’d like to turn it back to the operator to open the call for questions.

Operator: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. The first question comes from Chris Wetherbee with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead.

Chris Wetherbee: Hey, thanks. Good afternoon, guys. Hey, good afternoon. I guess maybe if we could start on the cost side and maybe unpack, I think you said $20 million in the quarter, I think $100 million is the total program. Can you give us a little sense maybe by segment how that played out? Any examples that you can provide in terms of detail would be great too. And then I guess as you think forward, is it sort of progressive from the 20 to the 100 over the several quarters? Any sort of insight there? And I guess in that context, boxes were down sequentially for the first time in quite some time.

So just kind of curious how that is sort of part of the plan if it is?

Brad Delco: Chris, I’ll try to address the first part and I’ll pass it over to Darren to address the second part. Really there’s progress across all areas of the business. And so when we think about, as we laid out last quarter, what are the three buckets that we were targeting for this initiative? It was around efficiency and productivity. That’s not just in the business, that’s also in back office and how all that gets allocated to businesses. Driving better asset utilization, I mean, saw that in intermodal. We certainly saw that and you heard some comments about almost record performance in our tractor utilization in our dray operations. You saw good improvement in productivity in Dedicated.

I wouldn’t want to say one segment versus the other, but I think you’ve seen it in the results across the board. In terms of how we’re going to progress going forward, I said in my comments, we’re going to give you an update each quarter. We said we think most of this will reveal itself next year. Listen, we’re off to a good start. We wanted to share that and I think you see it in the results. And while we do speak to it and we will speak to it each quarter, really the intent here is for you guys to see it in the results.

And I’m glad that you guys can see it in the results we printed this afternoon. So I’m going to pass it over to Darren and let him address maybe the container count question and appreciate the question, Chris.

Darren Field: Yes. I mean, the container count isn’t down. We have equipment that reaches useful life every quarter. It’s a small amount. Sometimes there’s a repair bill that may be greater than what the book value of that piece of equipment is, and we’ll retire it. The other component is we’ve worked closely with Dedicated in a few examples where we found what had been leased trailers in an account, we were able to use containers instead. It’s a pretty small number, but those would be the kind of moving pieces there. Nothing significant in terms of a real change in direction on container equipment.

Operator: The next question comes from Brian Ossenbeck with JPMorgan. Please go ahead.

Brian Ossenbeck: Hey, good evening. Thanks for taking the question. I think Mike was giving some commentary about pricing for next year. I think it was in ICS low to mid-single. So hoping you can kind of run through what you’re expecting across the different modes. And if I’m hearing you correctly, lowering the cost to serve, if rates do stay flat or don’t move a whole lot for next year, it sounds like the structural reductions here mean that the performance like this can be more durable and perhaps even better whenever we do get to that long-awaited upcycle? Thank you.

Nick Hobbs: Yes. Thank you. I was really talking about what we’ve seen in recent bids and the awards that we’ve seen, not really what we thought next year was going to be on rates. But we’ve seen in ICS in particular, we’ve seen some success and growth in the amount of loads and in our pricing as we kind of focus on the more difficult challenging business that’s not as commoditized, and so I think you see that in our gross margin. So it’s just the type of business that we’re working on that we saw that.

And then Brian, to the second part of your question, I mean, clearly, the rate environment has been challenged now for quite some time for our industry. This initiative, again, that we launched, you really dig in on the deep into all the details, we have a spreadsheet that has over 100 lines of things that we’re going to attack. And we’ve had very healthy debates around our executive table about what’s structural, what’s temporary, what we think are just cost avoidance versus are things that we’re removing. And the numbers we’re sharing, I mean, I think we said last quarter, our goal is and what we’ve identified as something far greater than $100 million.

We’ve always been, I believe we’ve always been a fairly conservative company. We have a very strong say-do culture. If we say something, we’re really setting out to do it. And so we’re comfortable sharing the $100 million. Again, we’re off to a good start. Our hope is while we’ve had tremendous headwinds in this industry, at some point headwinds will turn to tailwinds. And I think it will make it, it’ll make the work we’re doing look even stronger. Again, in my comments, you heard us say, we really are trying to set this business up to drive stronger incrementals when the market is more in our favor.

And I think some of the discipline we have around cost is setting us up very nicely for that.

Operator: The next question comes from Jonathan Chappell with Evercore ISI. Please go ahead.

Jonathan Chappell: Thank you. Good afternoon. Don’t know who wants to answer this, maybe Darren or Spencer or even Brad, but you’ve talked about the demand challenges. We all know about that. Pricing in the spot market doesn’t seem to have done very much from three months ago either. But if you look at revenue per load in both intermodal and you had a pretty nice sequential improvement. So I’m trying to understand is that a decision you have to make versus volume, volume versus pricing? Is that a mix situation? Is that surcharges? And is that now the starting point? You always talk about like the cake being baked into the next year.

Given that sequential increase down to 3Q, is this the starting point of which the cake is baked? Or is there a risk that could actually move backward closer to the 2Q levels?

Darren Field: Okay. This is Darren. I’ll try to tackle at least part of that. If Spencer has anything to add, he can certainly jump in. So we’ve often talked about we implement about 30% of prices in the first quarter, thirty percent second quarter, 30% third quarter, and call it 10% in the fourth quarter. I have long said the third quarter is the best time to see the results of the previous bid cycle. And I think that’s what we did just show in terms of the results is that’s a fully implemented bid season. What is washed in the results is there is some good pricing movement in the headhauls. There is some negative pricing in backhauls.

And when you combine them, it looks relatively muted in terms of price per load. We reported minus 1%. And so I don’t know that the sequential change did that come from some sort of a mix shift? It could have probably has some element of mix in there. I would say while our transcon volumes weren’t up year over year, I do believe our transcon volumes were up sequentially. And so that can play a role in terms of what happens sequentially from a revenue per load position.

Nick Hobbs: Yes. And Jonathan, this is Nick. I’ll talk about ICS. I would just say it’s really mix in ours and type of business from just think about team or hazmat, just various different things that we’re going after. It’s a little bit more difficult, multi-stop. So those carry a little higher rate. So it’s the type of business that we’re targeting in ICS.

Operator: The next question comes from Scott Group with Wolfe Research. Please go ahead.

Scott Group: Hey, thanks. Afternoon. So I want to follow-up maybe similar to that last question. So obviously, very good sequential margin improvement from Q2 to Q3 in intermodal. Like how much of that do you think is the cost side of what you’re talking about versus the yield side? I know we had earlier peak season surcharges this year. Ultimately, I’m trying to just figure out like the sustainability of this and as costs continue to ramp, should we be expecting further sort of sequential improvement off of this trough?

Q2 to Q3, further improvement in Q3 to Q4, or is it not necessarily going to play out that way given some of the puts and takes with timing of peak surcharges and things like that?

Darren Field: Well, clearly, peak season surcharges got a lot of press. We went early because a lot of customers had believed that they needed extra capacity. I wouldn’t say that the third quarter was a particularly strong peak season surcharge quarter. Frankly, we were disappointed in demand off the West Coast during the quarter and even adjusted our peak program in the middle of the quarter as an example. So I wouldn’t want our analysts to believe that’s driven largely by peak season charges. Really when we set out with our bid strategy a year ago, we wanted to grow clearly. We wanted to improve price and we wanted to improve balance.

And the improvement in balance, whether that be from growth westbound or an improvement in some price eastbound in the headhauls. I mean, of that result is driving improvements that we feel confident we can continue to sustain as we move forward. The cost side, we did, we were able to implement some small technology enhancements during the summer that really began at the end of the second quarter that helped define for our entire operations planning team some new flexibility that our customers had given us in some cases. And from that, we were able to drive real efficiency in our driver base. We were able to drive out some empty miles on the drayage system.

So these are areas that we feel are sustainable. And as we continue to look for opportunities to grow, what I don’t want anyone to hear is that growing in imbalanced lanes is a bad thing. It doesn’t have to be bad. It just ultimately the pricing on those loads has to cover the cost of positioning empties. And in a lot of cases, I think our customers are beginning to look hard at their supply chains, what’s happening with them, and can we look into the future and find a way to get back growing in markets that maybe are in balance that doesn’t have to be a bad thing for us.

But I believe the cost improvements that we made during the quarter, we must sustain those moving forward.

Operator: The next question comes from Brady Lares with Stephens. Please go ahead.

Brady Lares: Hey, great. Thanks. I wanted to touch on DCS for just a moment. Sales have continued to be pretty strong over the last few quarters despite trade uncertainty and a tough freight backdrop. Can you talk about what’s driving these wins at this point? Four years into a freight recession? And despite the strength in sales, you mentioned in your prepared remarks, you saw a pretty meaningful improvement in margins. Can you think of help us think about how much of that was just an improvement in your cost to serve versus kind of a maturation of these earlier sales?

Brad Hicks: Yes. Thanks, Brady. This is Brad. First, let me say just how remarkably proud I am of our entire team in DCS. The effort, the service, our drivers, maintenance teams, all the support personnel, our operators, just fantastic results in the quarter, both from an execution standpoint, from a safety standpoint, and certainly from a value creation and value delivery to our customers. And I think that the reason I say that is, I think that is one of the differentiations for J.B. Hunt Transport Services, Inc. is really our CVD program, customer value delivery.

And so when I think about the value that we can create for our customers, both through creative solutions, but also just our density and our ability to leverage and share our resources across multiple customers and multiple business types to really drive and create valuable solutions. The second part of that is, yes, we have worked hard and similar to Darren, there’s a variety of initiatives that we’ve kicked off. Some earlier in the year, some more recent. There’s been great work done by our maintenance teams helping lower our cost to serve, both by creating more uptime for our equipment and also lowering the cost of the actual maintenance program that we have.

And then lastly, risk is a critical component of private fleet, and the environment we’re in and what insurance has done the last several years that we’ve talked about often. And we’re doing a fantastic job there, as Shelley mentioned and Nick did as well in the prepared comments. And so can’t really say it’s one thing. It’s all those things together that makes our program different, we believe. And I think that’s why we’ve continued to have success even though the backdrop of this market has been pretty terrible as we all know.

Operator: The next question comes from Ken Hoexter with Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Ken Hoexter: Great. Good afternoon. Nick, you mentioned kind of seeing signs of impacts of ELP and the P1 visas. Is that what’s driving kind of spot rates up the last few weeks? Is that capacity removal already being seen in the market? Not the demand side, but the supply side? And then Shelley or Darren, I think you mentioned about the state of the potential rail mergers, but have you had conversations with UNP or Norfolk on sustaining your access or anything? Is that a discussion you’ve had at this point? Ahead of their filing?

Nick Hobbs: Yes. Well, Ken, I’ll start with one and let Darren get over to question two here in a second. So question one, yes, that’s the reason you’ve seen spot rates up in the last couple of weeks. It’s been because of enforcement activity and when you see the pockets, I would say it’s been able to cover freight, it’s just tightened it up and so we’ve seen a little tightness in probably eight to 10 markets and I think you can kind of follow the news around and see where ICE is active and in big metropolitan areas. And so it’s a combination of non-domicile. It’s also some cabotage. It’s also some fear factors.

But we’re prepared for that for whatever happens. We’re set up with intermodal, dedicated, our brokerage, just like when we went through COVID. We will be able to get the capacity no matter what happens in the market. So but we are seeing it in some spots, just a little notice, nothing extreme.

Darren Field: And for your second question there, Ken, clearly got two questions in there, very different subject. I don’t know how that slipped by the new IR guy. So I’m not going to talk through any kind of rail conversations. I think it is important that all of our shareholders and all of our customers hear any future merger that would be approved for whatever reason has been perceived that J.B. Hunt Transport Services, Inc. would have to move our traffic to CSX. And that’s not accurate at all. There’s nothing about a future state new railroad that would mean our current Norfolk Southern footprint that we have today would be required to change.

I think we referenced that we would intend to speak to all of the railroads to make sure that we can solve for our customers’ networks and continue to be what we’ve been to the market for decades now. And that’s just drive home the ability to take a customer’s needs, translate that into what the railroad capacity and capabilities are, combine it with our world-class drayage system, and provide intermodal solutions for those customers using the best solution available. And that will be our approach for as long as I’m here.

Operator: The next question comes from Jordan Alliger with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead.

Jordan Alliger: Yes, hi. So given sort of the color and commentary on customers still expect peak season and load still to advance inland against the pull forward, is there any way you could sort of put that together a little bit and think through sort of loads and volumes for you guys relative to what we just saw in the third quarter as we look out the next quarter or so? Just from a high-level perspective, thanks.

Spencer Frazier: Yes. Hey, John, this is Spencer. Thanks for the question. The main point that I really wanted to make there, there’s been quite a few headlines that come out and say, hey, peak is over. There’s not going to be a peak. And I totally agree with that from an ocean perspective. But we always have to remember that domestic, that inland supply chain, the timing of that is really driven by actual consumer and customer demand. And that’s going to take place at the same time it does every year, associated with the holidays. So that was kind of point number one. And then back to our customers are expecting a peak season.

I think even the NRS came out with their retail sales number or retail sales for September being up 5.7%. Our customers are working to keep their consumers, to keep all of us engaged and make sure that they can hit their sales targets and goals for the holiday season. And that they’re expecting to do that. Now for us, definitely the deals and agreements and support that we have for our customers is unique. And each one of our customers is unique on how they’re executing their peak volume.

But the big thing when you think about going forward to your question, you look at last year, last year was artificially inflated due to the East Coast strike concerns and other issues. And that really started in the ‘4. And carried through to really where West Coast port volumes were up 20% significantly all the way through the year. I expect the comps associated with that change and really the current import volumes to really be challenged all the way through March ‘6. So I think that where we’re at today and what we’ve done and what we’re going to do to help our customers through peak, we’re looking forward to doing that.

And working with those customers that have provided us with the forecast and what their needs are.

Operator: The next question comes from Ravi Shanker with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Ravi Shanker: Great, thanks. I’m going to throw in a long-term question here and maybe sharing this topic close to your heart. Just kind of given you guys probably led peers on JV360 and all the tech investments kind of many years ago, can you talk about kind of what you guys are working on right now? What that technology capital envelope looks like? Key initiatives there and kind of how the ICS business would look like from a tech and automation perspective maybe three, four years from now? Thank you.

Shelley Simpson: Thank you, Ravi. And love to talk about technology. Our strategy is rooted in how we transform our logistics. We want to be smarter, more predictive, and automated through JBM360. And if you just think about what our platform does, it supports $2 billion in carrier freight transactions, and that gives us scale to innovate. And we could do that quickly and effectively. As I think about what we’re working on, we’ve deployed 50 AI agents. That’s across the business. We’re trying to automate tasks, streamline our operations. And maybe just a few examples. Today, 60% of our third-party care check calls, those are automated.

More than 73% of our orders are auto accepted, 80% of our paper invoices are paid without a manual touch. Our dynamic quote API responds to 2 million quotes a year. And we’ve automated about 100,000 or a little more than one hundred thousand hours annually across our highway, dedicated, and CE teams. And so it’s not just about AI for us, it is about how we think about technology, but how does it empower our people. And so whether that’s engineering better processes or using robotic automation, leveraging AI, we’re focused on helping our teams work smarter and become more efficient. And that’s going to improve our operational performance and enhance our customers’ visibility and their experience.

So as we continue to refine our technology strategy, our goal remains very clear to us. We’re going to deliver measurable gains in cost savings, we’re going to increase our customer satisfaction, and we want to gain market share as a result. Now as I think about ICS, they have a great opportunity to do even more work when it comes to automation because the nature of the new customers they’re onboarding are less sophisticated from a technology perspective. So it’s really a new for them. If you think about our overall company, our company and the percentage of customers that we have that are large shippers, we’re heavily distorted to.

And so I would say that’s our opportunity to really grow with those small to midsized customers and that’s where automation will help significantly. We’ve got a clear path of things that we’re working on. And then I want to make sure that I do mention we did talk about Up Labs, which is a company that we’ve partnered with and really having them attack two of our areas that we believe need rewritten from a process and even more importantly technology where they’re integrating AI into those processes. Those two areas I would say, we’re in the middle of, really investigating and determining next path forward. But for us, all of this is about efficiency across our entire system.

And so that’s part of our lowering our cost to serve. It’s part of our transformation work. And I don’t think it just has to be AI that makes that happen. It could be a combination of processes, robotics, and AI.

Operator: The next question comes from Bascome Majors with SIG. Please go ahead.

Bascome Majors: Brad, as you get into the planning period for next year, can you talk a little bit about some of the higher visibility big-ticket cost items in the budget, be it health and welfare or insurance? Just what is the inflationary backdrop you’re continuing with now? And how do you think shifts into next year? And you put it on the blender with the $50 million plus incremental cost savings, how much do you really need to get from pricing and growth to offset that? Thank you.

Brad Delco: Well, Bascome, the way you started with that question, I was just going to say yes, yes, yes, and yes. I would say the big areas where we’re seeing inflationary pressure always on our people and wages but in particular around benefits. Group medical healthcare costs are, I don’t think it’s unique to J.B. Hunt Transport Services, Inc. I think it’s a challenge for any and all businesses. So that’s certainly an area that I think is a hot topic as we’re thinking about planning for 2026. Insurance, yes, we’re in the renewal process now. It’s probably too early to comment on that.

But particularly as you get into certain layers or areas of coverage, we’re seeing greater cost and largely because of how and how these claims are settling. And I think it’s again, it’s not that’s not unique to J.B. Hunt Transport Services, Inc. The thing that I’m really proud of is, and you heard Shelley and Nick both talk to it and our whole company should be proud of, is our safety performance. I mean, we’re coming off of a very strong year last year, which was best, which bested the prior year.

And year to date, I’ll knock on wood here, our performance is better than last year and the best way to reduce our cost on claims and insurance items is to really to avoid any incidents. And so that’s the goal. The goal is zero and we got a long ways to go to get there. In terms of what do we need, our customers I know are going to push hard unless there is a meaningful change or a change in the supply-demand balance. I think Nick alluded to the fact that there are maybe some things that are starting to pop up that might be reasons for more concern about what the capacity situation looks like going forward.

But we got to at least get above inflation. And if inflation is running 3%, I feel like our industry needs something better than that to get into a healthier spot. And our industry is not in a healthy spot. And I think most of you who have covered this for a long time know that. So our goal and we had a lot of follow-up conversations after our last earnings call about is $100 million net or gross, and I jokingly will say this here, I’ve asked each of those investors to define it for me and they all gave me a different example.

At the end of the day, lowering our cost to serve of $100 million, we want that to show up and be very visible to our owners. And we want to be obviously visible to you as well. But I would say we need something mid-single digits next year for our to at least get back on a healthier path to margin recovery and particularly for some of these transportation providers to reinvest or be at reinvestable levels. So that’s a long answer. I know I didn’t answer it specifically because I don’t want to give guidance as to what our rate expectations might be next year.

But I would hope the value that we’re providing customers will allow us to earn an appropriate return on the investments and the risk we’re taking serving those customers.

Operator: The next question comes from Tom Wadewitz with UBS. Please go ahead.

Tom Wadewitz: Yes, good afternoon. Want to give Shelley a shot at a question here if she wants to take it or I guess could pass along certainly. But when I think about coming out of a downturn in the industry, it seems like there we look for kind of a catalyst to change the shipper mindset. And I know you’ve got tons of experience working with shippers over time. So do you think this the DOT efforts that you listed a number of them, I think there’s a lot of focus on the non-domiciled CDL issue right now. But do you think that those DOT efforts are really causing a lot of concern in the mindset?

And there’s potentially a shift in that mindset that seems important to pricing. And then I guess within that is the 200,000 number DOT talked about, is that you think that sounds right? Or does that not sound right? Thank you.

Shelley Simpson: Yes. Thank you, Tom. And let me start and I’ll have the team kind of jump in here. Overall. When I think about how our shippers are viewing the market, it has been a surprise to all of us. So to J.B. Hunt Transport Services, Inc. and our shippers, how this market still is in the same place it’s been over the more than three years. And so I would tell you, our customers a year ago they were prepared and understood the why. That we would need more price.

It’s not that our customers are unsympathetic to our position, but they’re managing their costs based on what they see from a bid perspective and what they see from a cost perspective. And so, I think it’s incumbent on us. One of the things I think is important is we are a growth company, but we’re a disciplined growth company. We can’t just grow. We have to be disciplined in our growth strategy. And making sure we articulate that.

I’ll tell you this Tom, as much as Darren’s talked about our pricing change, although that might seem really simple to do, in this environment, those were very difficult discussions, but they were really fueled by our operational excellence and being able to talk to our customers about what great work we’re doing and they saw value in that. I’ve not seen us have to fight so hard for 12% before. When you know inflation is so much more than that overall. So I would tell you, I think customers want to help us. We need the market to change in order to do that. Do I think that non-domicile CDL could be a catalyst? Sure.

It would at least make a little more sense to me why there’s so much capacity in the market versus just our statistics say today. But I would tell you things have to change from here. If that’s one of the things that happens, then does that happen in the next twelve months? Does that take twenty-four months for it to happen? But let me just take a pause there and let Nick maybe you want to jump in on the non-doms.

Nick Hobbs: No, yes. And I might just add a couple of quick things here, Shelley. I totally agree. Our customers really the last two years have been planning for changes in cost that really didn’t materialize because they didn’t have to. I think some of the things that we’re seeing right now with a little bit of a disconnect in spot price rates going up versus volumes going down, the first time we’ve seen that. Maybe in the history of some of the data. Our customers look at macro data and spot pricing and volumes. Let me go back to until they actually experience it or feel it at the dock level, until freight is not picked up.

They won’t make a meaningful change. So that’s the area where we’ve got to give them confidence and predictability of our capacity and service, which we’ve done through operational excellence. That as this thing does change, whether it’s near term or over time, they can count on us to take care of their business. Nick?

Nick Hobbs: I’ll just add a couple of things. On the non-dom, I think the $200,000 is fairly legit. But I think there’s a lot of other factors of drivers that’s coming across the border, call it, cabotage. It should only be in the border zone. Is some good data out there. From a couple of sources that’s come out recently to talk about that. And so I just think there’s other factors that’s going to continue to impact that. But really to see any impact in the speed, it’s going to take the economic side along with the regulation side and that’s what’s going to drive the timing is those two. In my opinion.

Operator: The last question comes from Brandon Oglenski with Barclays. Please go ahead.

Eric Morgan: Hey, good afternoon. This is Eric Morgan on for Brandon actually. Thanks for taking the question. Just a quick one on intermodal growth in the East. I think you referenced in the prepared remarks having the labor port issue kind of playing in there. So I’m just wondering how sustainable that level of growth is moving forward and maybe in the context of some of this different seasonality you’re seeing this year would be helpful. Thanks.

Darren Field: Sure. So I think in reference to the labor situation, that had more to do with last year’s comps on the West Coast. Volumes being strong. Our Eastern network volume really doesn’t have a lot of interaction with the import economy a ton. I think that the Eastern network continues to be where we see the best highway to rail conversion opportunity. Our East network also includes Mexico as an example. And so we have really nice solid growth coming northbound out of Mexico as part of that. We think that the vast majority of the millions of loads that remain to be converted from highway to intermodal are in the East.

So we’re encouraged by our growth in the East, and we expect and anticipate we can continue to grow in the East for years to come.

Operator: This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Mrs. Shelley Simpson for any closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Shelley Simpson: Hey, thanks everyone for joining. Hey, we’re pleased with our results in the short term, especially considering this environment. But we have more work to do and we’re not satisfied. We’re going to continue to remain focused on our priorities of operational excellence in both service and safety. We’re going to scale into our investments through disciplined growth, and then we’re going to keep repairing our margins, and that will drive stronger financial performance. We’re a growth company. It’s important, and we have the highest service across all five of our business units. I think the highest since I’ve been with the company from a consistency across the segments.

We see that metric as a key enabler to execute on our strategy and maintain our say-do culture on delivering what we say and what we expect from ourselves. Thanks for your interest, and we’ll see you next quarter.

Operator: The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect.

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Levi Strauss (LEVI) Q3 2025 Earnings Transcript

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DATE

Thursday, Oct. 9, 2025, at 5:00 p.m. ET

CALL PARTICIPANTS

  • President and Chief Executive Officer — Michelle Gass
  • Chief Financial and Growth Officer — Harmit Singh
  • Head of Investor Relations — Aida Orphan

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RISKS

  • Tariff impact — Harmit Singh stated, “Our updated guidance reflects the latest tariff rate, which includes 30% for China and an increase to approximately 20% for the rest of the world, compared to 50 basis points previously,” and quantified a resulting 20 basis point impact on gross margin and a 2 to 3¢ reduction in adjusted diluted EPS.
  • Gross margin headwind in fiscal fourth quarter — Management forecasts a roughly 100 basis point contraction in gross margin for the fiscal fourth quarter ended Nov. 30, 2025, driven by tariffs and the absence of a fifty-third week.

TAKEAWAYS

  • Net revenue growth — Net revenue increased 7% in the fiscal third quarter ended Aug. 31, 2025, with international markets contributing approximately 75% of the growth and the US accounting for the rest.
  • Direct-to-consumer (DTC) channel — DTC sales rose 9%, with e-commerce up 16% and store comps delivering high single-digit growth in the fiscal third quarter; DTC now accounts for over 40% of the US business as of the fiscal third quarter.
  • Gross margin — Gross margin reached a record 61.7%, up 110 basis points, more than offsetting an 80 basis point tariff headwind in the fiscal third quarter; approximately 50 basis points of margin uplift came from foreign exchange in the same period.
  • Adjusted EBIT margin and EPS — Adjusted EBIT margin reached 11.8%, and adjusted diluted EPS was 34¢, both “ahead of our expectation” in the fiscal third quarter, according to Harmit Singh.
  • Wholesale channel — Global wholesale net revenues grew 5% on an organic, continuing operations basis in the fiscal third quarter, with signature business up double digits and women’s outperforming across key partners, while US wholesale rose 2%.
  • Regional trends — Asia net revenues accelerated 12% with double-digit DTC and wholesale gains; the Americas rose 7%, and Europe rose 3%, with UK performance described as “very strong,” based on organic net revenues in the fiscal third quarter.
  • Women’s and tops segments — Levi Strauss women’s business grew 9%, men’s grew 5%, and tops increased 9%, with men’s tops up 10% and women’s tops up 8%, all on an organic basis in the fiscal third quarter.
  • Shareholder returns — Returned $151 million to shareholders in the fiscal third quarter (up 118%), bringing year-to-date returns to $283 million and exceeding the annual payout target.
  • Inventory — Inventory dollars grew 12% and units increased 8% in the fiscal third quarter, driven by build-up ahead of the holiday season and higher product costs from tariffs; as of the fiscal third quarter, 70% of US holiday inventory was in place.
  • Guidance raised — Management now expects full-year reported net revenue growth of approximately 3% and organic net revenue growth of approximately 6%, with gross margin projected to expand 100 basis points and adjusted EBIT margin targeted at 11.4%-11.6% for the fiscal year ending Nov. 30, 2025.
  • Beyond Yoga — Beyond Yoga is expected to end the year up low teens versus the prior year, with new stores opening in Boston, Houston, and two more in Northern California, bringing the total store count to 14.
  • SKU productivity — The company reduced SKUs by about 15% compared to last year, achieved a 20% increase in productivity per SKU, and raised the proportion of globally common SKUs to 40% as of the 2025 season.

SUMMARY

Management reported four consecutive quarters of high single-digit organic revenue growth on a continuing operations basis, attributing broad-based performance to both DTC and wholesale channels, as well as geographic and gender diversification. Levi Strauss (LEVI -10.60%) maintained category leadership across men’s and women’s globally, with market share gains in youth premium and strong unit-driven growth. Pricing actions and reduced promotions were cited as gross margin drivers, while higher performance-based compensation and ongoing distribution center transitions weighed on SG&A in the fiscal third quarter. Upcoming tariff increases and the absence of a fifty-third week presented headwinds for the remainder of the year, although operational efficiencies and supply chain mitigation strategies were set to help offset pressures.

  • Harmit Singh indicated, “gross profit dollars are up $220 million, and SG&A is up $126 million” year-to-date, reflecting operational leverage.
  • Michelle Gass detailed that “tops grew 9% overall for the quarter, 10% year-to-date,” on an organic, continuing operations basis in the fiscal third quarter, with a strategic goal to move the tops-to-bottoms sales ratio closer to 1:1.
  • The company invested purposefully in inventory to support the holiday season and cited 70% readiness of required US inventory as of the fiscal third quarter call.
  • Harmit Singh confirmed customer and consumer demand remained resilient in the face of selective pricing increases, with no observable pullback thus far.
  • Growth in DTC and e-commerce channels is expected to continue, with the aim of expanding e-commerce to 15% of total business from the current 9% (as referenced in the company’s fiscal third quarter earnings call).

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

  • DTC (Direct-to-consumer): Sales strategy where the company sells products directly to end customers through owned stores or digital channels, bypassing wholesale intermediaries.
  • UPT (Units per transaction): Operational metric tracking the average number of items sold per customer transaction.
  • AUR (Average unit retail): Average selling price per unit over a given period, excluding markdowns and promotions unless otherwise stated.
  • SKU (Stock keeping unit): Unique identifier for a specific product variant, used for inventory and productivity management.
  • Sell-in/Sell-through: ‘Sell-in’ refers to goods sold by Levi Strauss to its wholesale retail partners; ‘sell-through’ measures the rate at which those goods are sold by partners to end consumers.
  • ASR (Accelerated share repurchase): A program in which a company repurchases a large block of its own shares swiftly, often structured via agreement with a financial intermediary.
  • Red Tab / Blue Tab / Signature: Levi Strauss brand segmentation: Red Tab denotes Levi’s core denim, Blue Tab reflects the premium collection, and Signature targets value-focused consumers.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Aida Orphan: For our 2025. Joining me on today’s call are Michelle Gass, our President and CEO, and Harmit Singh, our Chief Financial and Growth Officer. We’d like to remind you that we will be making forward-looking statements based on current expectations, and those statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. These risks and uncertainties are detailed in our reports filed with the SEC. We assume no obligation to update any of these forward-looking statements. Additionally, during this call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures that are not intended to be a substitute for our GAAP results.

Definitions of these measures and reconciliations to their most comparable GAAP measure are included in our earnings release available on the IR section of our website, investors.levistrauss.com. Note that Michelle and Harmit will be referencing organic net revenues or constant currency numbers unless otherwise noted, and the information provided is based on continuing operations. Finally, this call is being webcast on our IR web, and a replay of this call will be available on the website shortly. Today’s call is scheduled for one hour, so please limit yourself to one question at a time to give others the opportunity to have their questions addressed. And now I’d like to turn the call over to Michelle.

Michelle Gass: Thank you, and welcome, everyone. What I’ll share today builds on the themes I’ve been emphasizing this year as we pivot to become a DTC-first, head-to-toe denim lifestyle retailer. The consistent execution of our strategic priorities is driving a meaningful inflection in our financial performance. And today, I’m pleased to share that we delivered another very strong quarter with upside across the P&L, giving us the confidence to raise our full-year revenue and EPS guidance. In Q3, we delivered our fourth consecutive quarter of high single-digit organic revenue growth. Strength was once again broad-based across our business, including DTC and wholesale, international and domestic, women’s and men’s, and tops and bottoms.

Our growth was led by continued strong sales and profitability in our direct-to-consumer channel, up 9%, fueled by strong comp growth as well as solid performance in global wholesale. Our largest market, the US, grew 3%, and our international business was up 9%, led by an acceleration in Asia. And we continue to see robust performance in our core as well as outsized growth in our key focus areas like women’s and tops. The results we’ve delivered this quarter against an increasingly complex backdrop are yet another proof point that our strategies are working. Looking ahead, there are several factors that give me even more conviction that our momentum will continue.

First, our narrowed focus enables us to maximize the full potential of the Levi’s brand. We will continue to build momentum through impactful marketing campaigns, strategic partnerships, and innovative collaborations, ensuring that the brand remains firmly at the center of culture. Second, the total addressable market for denim is large and growing, as consumer preferences continue to shift towards casualization. As the definitive market leader, we are well-positioned to take advantage and drive growth. Third, our denim leadership puts us in a prime position to define and own head-to-toe denim lifestyle, further expanding our addressable market. As we drive this momentum forward, we’ll continue to deliver an innovative and robust product pipeline across genders and categories.

Fourth, our DTC-first strategy is bringing us closer to the consumer and generating consistent and significant growth, while we have also stabilized and grown our wholesale business. Both channels are seeing strong improvements in profitability. Fifth, while international already comprises nearly 60% of our total business, there are still untapped opportunities for us to grow, particularly in Asia, where our business has momentum, and the opportunity for continued expansion is considerable. Underpinning all of this is our culture of performance, with a sharpened focus on operating with rigor and executing with excellence, from go-to-market efficiencies and more productive store operations to end-to-end supply chain improvement.

I will now turn to highlights from the third quarter in the context of our strategies. All numbers that Harmit and I will reference are on an organic, continuing operations basis. Let’s start with our first strategy, being brand-led. Levi’s had another strong quarter of growth. In the quarter, we launched the final chapter of the reimagined campaign with Beyoncé. This campaign delivered as intended, fueling momentum across the business, specifically driving growth in our Levi’s women’s business, up 12% year-to-date. In August, we debuted our new global campaign starring Shabu, underscoring our relevancy and authenticity with men. The campaign showcases our most iconic products, the 501, the trucker jacket, and the western shirt.

And we’re pleased with how this campaign is being received by our fans. In addition, we also cultivated enthusiasm for the brand through a broad range of collaborations, including a joint collection with Nike, fusing Levi’s heritage denim craftsmanship with Nike’s athletic sneaker culture. Our collaborations generate brand heat and introduce Levi’s to new consumers. And just this week, we launched a special collection with Toy Story, in celebration of their thirtieth anniversary. Turning to product, our evolution to a head-to-toe denim lifestyle retailer continues to gain momentum, all while strengthening our position as the global authority in denim.

Our Levi’s women’s business continues to deliver outsized growth, up 9% in Q3, while our leading Levi’s men’s business grew a solid 5%. Driven by our diversified fit, we saw strong growth in our bottoms business, which was up 6%. We’re continuing to inject newness into the looser fit trend, with the new baggy utility silhouettes for him, and the launch of our baggy dad barrel for her. And we’re driving a revival in low rise with our low and super low collection of fits, which are delivering strong growth. As we evolve into denim lifestyle, we’re making meaningful progress on our seasonally relevant assortments as consumers look for more buy now, wear now products.

Following last year’s reset, tops continue to drive notable growth, up 9% with strength across women’s and men’s. For the quarter, our shorts business delivered strong growth across genders. We continue to infuse newness into the assortment through fit and fabric innovation, from our linen blend styles to the launch of the 501 curve. And with respect to our premiumization efforts, we began to roll out our elevated Blue Tab collection to Europe in early September, following a successful launch in Asia and the US earlier this year. Blue Tab merges Levi’s iconic aesthetic with a refined quality and thoughtful Japanese craftsmanship. Looking to the holiday season, we are well-positioned with the right merchandise assortment and the right marketing campaign.

We’re expanding the range of occasions and amplifying the many ways that fans can embrace our denim lifestyle assortment through elevated fabric, textures, and embellishments. We’re excited to showcase Levi’s through a fresh lens that reflects the season’s full spectrum of style. Now shifting to our strategy to be DTC-first. Global direct-to-consumer sales were up 9%, driven by strong performance in both our stores and online. We generated high single-digit comp growth fueled by higher UPT, AUR, and full-price selling as our expanded denim lifestyle assortment continues to resonate with our consumers around the world.

And as we continue to grow our DTC channel, we remain focused on doing so profitably, with our productivity initiatives resulting in more than 400 basis points of margin expansion in the quarter. We’re pleased with the strong results from our store optimization initiative, which have improved both the consumer experience and store productivity. We’ve enhanced our in-store lifestyle merchandising to make the environment more inspiring and shoppable, highlighting our broader assortment of head-to-toe looks. We’ve also been focused on improving our assortment planning and life cycle management, resulting in lower promotions and higher full-price selling. Additionally, we’re in the process of rolling out a new global selling model for our store team.

Which, coupled with our enhanced labor scheduling system, improving the consumer experience and delivering operational efficiencies. We had another quarter of very strong growth in e-commerce, up 16%, driven by an increase in traffic across all segments. We expect e-commerce to continue to be our fastest-growing channel on the path to comprising 15% of our total business, up from just 9% today. In our wholesale channel, net revenues were up 5%, reflecting growth across all segments. In the US, the Levi’s brands were up 2% as we continue to invest in top doors and expand and elevate our assortment.

Western Wear is core to who we are, and we’re pleased to have recently expanded our product assortment with Boot Barn and gained new distribution at Cavender’s. We also see opportunities to increase our penetration with premium and specialty accounts as we broaden and elevate our lifestyle assortment. Now turning to our third strategy, powering the portfolio. Our international business grew 9% in Q3. Asia accelerated in the quarter, driven by double-digit growth in key markets like India, Japan, Korea, and Turkey. I recently visited several stores across India, Korea, and Japan, and it is clear that consumers are responding to the work we’ve done to ensure the best expression of our denim lifestyle assortment.

Japan, in particular, is a market with a very high bar for denim. We’ve been investing in Japan over the past decade, transitioning the market from primarily a wholesale business to now close to 75% DTC. Walking our stores in Nagoya, Shinjuku, and Harajuku, some of our highest volume stores in the world, you’ll see the fullest and most premium expression of the Levi’s brand. Up almost 50% since 2019, and continuing to gain momentum, we remain optimistic about future opportunities in Japan, and we will replicate our successful playbook in this market across the globe. Beyond Yoga was up 2%, and DTC was up 23%, driven by comps, new doors, and e-commerce.

Growth in DTC was offset by a decline in wholesale as the team focuses on higher quality sales in the channel. Looking to Q4, we have additional stores opening in Boston, Houston, and two more stores in Northern California, bringing our total store count to 14. We expect Beyond Yoga to end the year up low teens versus prior year. In closing, we delivered another standout quarter with sales and earnings growth that positions us to increase our outlook for the year. We are fully prepared and well-positioned for holiday, as we enter the season with momentum despite an increasingly uncertain external backdrop.

We have several tailwinds that give me confidence in not only delivering a strong finish to 2025 but also another strong year in 2026. Finally, I’d like to thank our incredible, talented, and passionate team for driving our transformation into the world denim lifestyle leader and delivering outstanding service to our fans every day. And with that, I will turn it over to Harmit to provide a financial overview of the quarter and our expectations for the remainder of the year.

Harmit Singh: Thanks, Michelle. In quarter three, we delivered strong financial results, exceeding expectations across sales, gross margin, EBIT margin, and EPS. We remain focused on establishing a strong track record of consistent execution and results. The strategic transformation across our organization has enabled us to evolve into a higher-performing company with stronger revenue growth, expanded margin, improved cash flows, and higher returns on invested capital. Given the outperformance in quarter three and continued strong trend, we are also raising our revenue and EPS outlook for the year, despite incorporating higher tariffs than assumed in our previous guidance. Now turning to our quarter three results. Net revenue grew 7%, reflecting the power of our diversified business model.

International markets drove approximately 75% of our growth, and the US contributed 25%. This international strength reflects our continued expansion and brand resonance in key markets globally, while our US business maintains solid underlying momentum. By channel, growth was evenly balanced between wholesale and direct-to-consumer, each growing and contributing roughly 50% of our revenue increase. This balanced performance underscores the success of our DTC-first strategy while maintaining strong partnerships in wholesale. By gender, women’s contributed approximately 40% of our growth, with men’s accounting for the balance.

We continue to execute against our strategy to capture greater share in our underpenetrated, higher gross margin women’s segment, while a large men’s business continues to generate solid growth as we fuel momentum in the category. Turning to gross margin performance. We delivered another strong quarter with a quarter three record gross margin of 61.7% of net revenue, expanding 110 basis points versus the prior year, more than offsetting 80 basis points of tariff headwind. Three key drivers fuel the continued expansion. First, our structural business mix continues to evolve favorably with the accelerating shift towards higher margin DTC, international, and women’s category.

Second, targeted pricing actions we have taken across our assortment, as well as higher full-price selling and reduced promotional levels in our direct-to-consumer channel as consumers continue to gravitate towards newness. Third, approximately 50 basis points of the upside in gross margin was driven by foreign exchange. While we are judicially approaching pricing opportunities across our business, in quarter three, we saw a significant increase in units, demonstrating healthy underlying demand for our brand. I’m pleased to report that our adjusted SG&A performance came in line with our expectation, representing less than 50% of total revenue, over a 150 basis points improvement from our first half run rate.

The primary factors contributing to the increase in SG&A dollars include higher performance-based compensation, given the momentum in our business, costs associated with our store opening, as well as expenses associated with the transformation of our distribution network. The combination of robust gross margin and our disciplined approach to SG&A management delivered an adjusted EBIT margin of 11.8% and generated 34¢ of adjusted diluted EPS, both ahead of our expectation. Our focus on profitability as we accelerate growth has enabled us to grow both adjusted EBIT and adjusted diluted EPS up approximately 25% to prior on a year-to-date basis. Now let’s review the key highlights by segment. The Americas net revenues were up 7%.

Our US business was up 3%, delivering a fifth consecutive quarter of strong growth. DTC grew 6% and now represents over 40% of the US market. US wholesale net revenues were also up despite the challenges posed by the transition of our US distribution centers, driven by broad-based strength across the region. LatAm has seen several consecutive quarters of double-digit growth, including Q3, which was up 23%. America’s operating margin expanded 50 basis points, driven by gross margin and revenue leverage. Europe’s net revenues were up 3%. All key markets delivered growth, led by very strong performance in the UK.

While weather impacted footfall in June and July, we exited the quarter with strong performance in August, and we continue to expect mid-single-digit growth in Europe for the year. Operating margin grew 80 basis points versus the prior year from strong gross margin expansion. Asia’s net revenues accelerated to up 12%. The segment saw double-digit growth in both DTC and wholesale. Operating margin increased 50 basis points to prior year, Asia is up 8% on a year-to-date basis, and operating margin for the year is up 40 basis points to prior year. Turning to our shareholder returns program and the balance sheet. In the quarter, we returned $151 million to shareholders, a 118% increase versus last year.

We’ve also closed the first phase of the docket sale. And with the proceeds, we have implemented a $120 million accelerated share repurchase program and retired approximately 5 million shares, with the remaining shares to be settled by 2026. We have returned $283 million to shareholders year-to-date, which is substantially higher than our annual cash payout target. And for Q4, we declared a dividend of 14¢ per share, which is up 8% to prior year. We ended the quarter with reported inventory dollars up 12%, driven by purposeful investment ahead of the holiday and higher product cost than a year ago due to tariffs. In unit terms, inventory was up 8% versus last year.

As of today, we have 70% of the product in the US needed for holiday. Before turning to guidance, let me briefly share our updated assumptions around tariffs. Our updated guidance reflects the latest tariff rate, which includes 30% for China and an increase to approximately 20% for the rest of the world, compared to 50 basis points previously. However, given the Q3 results, we continue to expect only a 20 basis points impact to gross margin. This translates to a 2 to 3¢ impact to adjusted diluted EPS.

Unchanged from last quarter’s guidance. As respects to quarter four, this equates to an 80 basis point headwind to gross margin and a 3¢ impact to adjusted diluted EPS. Looking to 2026, we are continuing to take actions to offset the impact of tariffs. As a reminder, these mitigation initiatives include promotion optimization, targeted pricing action, vendor negotiation, and further supply chain diversification. Now I will turn to our outlook for Q4 and then cover the full year.

While we are taking a prudent approach to our outlook, given the complex macro environment, and the absence of the fifty-third week, which contributed four points to the top line in 2024, we remain confident in the underlying strength and momentum of our business. In quarter four, we expect organic net revenue growth to be up approximately 1%. And on a two-year stack, this equates to 9% organic growth. Reported net revenues are expected to be down approximately 3% because of noncomparable items, including the fifty-third week, denizen, and footwear, which are no longer included in the revenue base.

Gross margin is expected to contract approximately 100 basis points in quarter four, driven by tariffs as well as the impact of the fifty-third week. And we expect adjusted EBIT margin to be in the range of 12.4 to 12.6%. We expect the tax rate to be in the low twenties, higher than a year ago. And adjusted diluted EPS to be in the range of 36¢ to 38¢. For the full year, we are taking our revenues up by approximately a percentage point and EPS by 2¢. We now expect reported net revenue growth of approximately 3% for the year. And we have increased our expectations for organic net revenues to approximately 6% up from prior year.

We now expect gross margin to expand 100 basis points for the full year, up from the 80 basis points stated in our prior guidance, including the incremental drag from tariffs. We continue to expect adjusted SG&A as a percentage of revenue and adjusted EBIT margin to be in the range of 11.4 to 11.6%. by 2¢ to a dollar 27 to a dollar 32 for the full year. In closing, our four consecutive quarters of high single-digit growth and raised revenue expectations underscore the strength and resilience of our business. As we accelerate profitable growth, we are transforming into a best-in-class DTC-first denim lifestyle retailer, unlocking new opportunities and delivering greater value for our shareholders.

Our disciplined execution and agility have enabled us to deliver 14 consecutive quarters of DTC comp sales, expand margin, drive cash flow, and return significant capital to our shareholders, including the recent ASR. I will now open up the line.

Operator: Due to time constraints, the company requests you ask only one question. If you have an additional question, please queue up again. If at any point your question has been answered, you may remove yourself from the queue by pressing star 11 again. Our first question comes from the line of Laurent Vasilescu of BNP Paribas. Please go ahead, Laurent.

Laurent Vasilescu: Oh, good afternoon, Michelle and Harmit. Thank you very much for taking my question. I wanted to ask about your European momentum. We had a major US brand caution about the European marketplace the other week, again, around increased promotionality. Curious to hear what you’re seeing in this important marketplace. How do you how are your European pre-books look for next spring? And then, Harmit, just on the Q4 guide, the gross margin down 100 basis points. Can you maybe just unpack that a little bit more, what the fifty-third week impact on the GM? And what are the positive offsets? Thank you very much.

Harmit Singh: Sure. Laurent, thanks for calling in. So Europe was up 3% for the quarter. You heard in my prepared remarks about the weather impact. But as soon as the weather cooled, we saw Europe accelerate to double-digit growth, especially as we exited the quarter. There was some shifting in July and August, but September remained strong. We’ve seen growth in the quarter across both channels. DTC was up four, Wholesale was up 2%. Some key markets really performed. UK was up, you know, high mid-teen. And high single-digit growth in Germany and Italy. If you think across men and women, women continues to be strong in Europe.

And the consumer is gravitating towards a broader assortment, looser fit, 501, tops, which is our fastest-growing category. So our view is unlike the other major brands, that you mentioned, we expect to end the year up mid-single-digit, and this is accelerated substantially relative to a year ago. September is off to a good start. Our pre-book for spring is up mid-single-digit. Having said all that, our operating margins were also up 80 basis points. So I think that is working its way through it. On your question, I can broadly talk Q4 guidance, and then I’ll talk gross margins in a minute. But on Q4, we expect the momentum of our business to continue.

We do have an incremental headwind on tariffs. It’s impacting gross margin first unmitigated by 130 basis points and mitigated by about 80 basis points. And EPS by three ten. Had it not been for tariffs, our gross margins in quarter four would have been up. I mean, it’s pretty fractured. And then we’re just taking a conservative approach to the quarter given the complex macros, you know, the status and maybe potential impact on demand. We are not seeing it as we close out September. And the continued transformation of our distribution center. The way to think about it, folks, is we’re raising our full-year top-line guidance to 6% organic.

And you think of the last three years, 23 organic growth was flat, 24 was about over close to 3%. And this year, 6%. So as I said in the prepared remarks, the solidly on track to be a mid-single-digit growth company. And EBIT margins should end the year in the mid-eleven percent nine in 2023. They’re close to nine. So we’ve steadily improved that. Higher gross margin efforts on SG&A and flow through onto EBIT margin.

Laurent Vasilescu: That’s great. Well, yeah, best of luck with the holiday season.

Harmit Singh: Thanks. Thank you. Thank you.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Boss of JPMorgan. Your line is open, Matthew.

Matthew Boss: Great. Thanks. So, Michelle, could you elaborate on the momentum that you cited entering the season? Maybe what are you seeing in the denim category or from the consumer broadly? And then Harmit, so have you seen any material change in demand trends in September or October globally? Or is it just prudent planning for the remainder of the quarter that’s driving the moderation that’s embedded in your fourth quarter organically? Revenue guidance?

Harmit Singh: I’ll answer your second first because I’m sure it’s top of mind for folks. No. It’s just being the prudent guidance is just being, you know, conservatism on the max. We’re not seeing any underlying change in trends as that reflected. I think we’re really well set for holidays. And Michelle can give you a perspective on the category and the consumer.

Michelle Gass: Sure. So, Matt, thanks for the question. First, let me talk about the category. We’re really excited. I mean, the denim category is accelerating. Both here in the US and globally. And as the definitive market leader, we are very well positioned to take advantage of that. And of course, as the leader, we help fuel the growth, and we’re seeing that happen. Just to remind everyone, we are the market share leader across men’s and women’s globally, and we continue to maintain our number one share of position in the US as well for both men and women. I’d say most recently, we’re really thrilled to see that we’re gaining share in youth premium, and with our signature business.

So when we think about our business from a segmentation standpoint, doing really well with Red Tab and for those consumers who are more value-oriented, we saw our signature business up double digits this quarter. What’s driving that for our business in terms of market share gains and again, as the leader, helping to fuel the momentum on the category overall, I mean, it starts with product. We’re bringing a lot of newness and innovation into our business through fits, fabrics, silhouettes. A lot of that’s still happening with boots and baggy. But we’re really seeing strength across the board.

And importantly, not only is it continuing to be the leader in denim bottoms, but we’re really expanding our addressable market as we think about going from denim bottoms to head-to-toe denim lifestyle. And, you know, we’re seeing that momentum in categories like tops. So when take a step back, I mean, we’ve been around many decades. We really built this business on denim, but we’re building our future on denim lifestyle. So feel good about the category, our position. Now more broadly, to your question on the consumer, I think kind of building on Harmit’s comments and mine, our consumer continues to be resilient, and we’re seeing that around the globe.

I mean, it starts with the business, our fourth consecutive quarter of high single-digit organic growth globally. And I think it’s important to make note that this for the quarter, this business was driven largely through unit growth. Right? So it’s unit growth that’s really fueling that momentum. And we saw broad-based strength across geographies, across categories, that’s both men’s and women’s tops and bottoms. And both DTC and wholesale. So consumers responding, our strategies are working. I mentioned the denim category accelerating. I mentioned really kind of being relevant across these various consumer cohorts. And we get that we’re operating in a complex environment here in the US. We’re staying close to it.

But when you think out about the Levi’s brand, in times of uncertainty, consumers turn to brands that they know and trust. And Levi’s certainly one of those brands. So we’re optimistic as we enter the fourth quarter. We expect the health and the momentum of our business to continue. We’ve been planning for holiday all year. And I would say we have our most robust lifestyle assortment we’ve ever brought to the consumer with lots of seasonally relevant product across really all categories. And again, we continue to make progress on this head-to-toe, so you’ll see lots of the fashion bottoms as well as tops and outerwear, third pieces.

And I think products that really go sort of from day to night at work to evening events, especially during that holiday season, but there’s a lot of newness and that will also be fueled by tremendous marketing. We’ve had a great year of marketing with Beyoncé. We got Shaboozy right now, and you can expect us to continue to connect in a relevant way during the holiday season.

Matthew Boss: That’s great color. Best of luck.

Michelle Gass: Thanks, Matt.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ike Boruchow of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead, Ike.

Ike Boruchow: Hey. Thanks. Let me add my congratulations. Maybe, Harmit, just to focus on margins specifically, can you comment on two things? One, within the SG&A cost line, you a little bit about it earlier, but the distribution line is running around 7% of sales right now. I know can you remind us the moving pieces on the warehousing and DCs? You have going on? A year ago, it was around 6%. I think historically, it’s been 5%. How quickly does that margin start to benefit you guys as you go into next year?

And then to that point, are you comfortable, beginning to lay out a timeline on the return to 15% margin you guys kind of put back on the table several quarters ago as the momentum picked up. Thank you.

Harmit Singh: Cool. So let me Ike, I’ll start with gross margin and give you some color about what happened in Q3. So people and yourself understand. Then I’ll go quickly into SG&A and distribution. Think of gross margin in quarter three, up 110 basis points, higher than what we had expected when we talked about this a quarter ago. Three basic factors. One is the structural mix, which is higher women’s DTC and international that we think continues for a long, long time. The second is we have taken moderate pricing, and we’re driving higher full-price sale. And the third is the FX benefit, which we had called at about 50 basis points.

This more than offset about 80 basis points of headwind from the tariffs. And so that’s why, you know, a, we were ahead of last year and the over-delivery was affected. Difficult to predict. We haven’t predicted FX for quarter four as an example. And full price, you know, it’s something we’re focused on. It’s difficult to forecast that. So those are that’s gross margin. Then you think about SG&A. Our SG&A, you know, for the quarter, was below 50%. If you think the first half of the year, it was higher than 50% of revenue. Higher than you know? So the run rate was lower than the first half of the year, which was higher.

The way we think of SG&A, I mean, there are two ways to look at it. A, our gross profit dollars at a, you know, growing at a fast pace than SG&A. So if you think of year-to-date, our gross profit dollars are up $220 million, and SG&A up is up $126 million. So clearly driving high flow through. If you look at it just as a revenue to SG&A, SG&A up 6%, and revenue up 8%, so clear leverage. As we think we end the year, you know, if 6% is the revenue guidance organically, SG&A is probably in the mid-single digits of this year leverage. On that.

And this quarter, our, you know, SG&A, being up relative to a year ago, there’s performance comp, which is a big piece. We’re having a good year. Distribution cost, which I’ll come to in a minute, so I’ll answer your question. You know, we opened on a gross basis 14 new stores. I mean, you know, and that’s really, you know, the trifecta factor in DTC. Is driving the result. Especially as we market expenses, marketing expenses moved a little bit between Q4 and Q3. Launched the Shibuzi campaign and some foreign exchange headwind. Your question, Ike, about distribution, overall, as you know, we are remapping our distribution network to more of a hybrid network built for omnichannel.

From a manual network that is built for wholesale. So there are clear benefits that we will see over time. In the short term and transformations obviously have a short-term impact. Over the short term, you know, we’ve in the US, we’ve been running parallel DCs as we ramp up the new DC that’s run by a third party. If you think of distribution cost about 7%, and they’ve increased from a year ago, I would say about half of that is the reclass and distribution expenses from selling to distribution for e-commerce. And the other half is equally split between volume, which is driving, you know, more distributed expenses and the cost of parallel running.

Our expectation is that parallel running of DC because good news is there’s demand is pretty robust. So as we make this transformation, we have to do it in a way that we not only fulfill the demand for customers and consumers but also ramp up and close this DC. So our view is and it’s, you know, it’s art and science. So we’re working through that. But I think by the end of quarter one twenty-six, is when we probably ramp down parallel running of the DC. So early twenty-six. And when we report results, for quarter four. In early twenty-six, we’ll give you a perspective on distributed expenses.

But over time, long term, we should reduce cost per unit and the cost of running parallel DC. Does that help, Ike, answer your question?

Ike Boruchow: Yes. And I’m just curious timeline on the 15%. If there’s anything you can share.

Harmit Singh: Yeah. I think, you know, you’re asking for a quick review on to Investor Day or preview on that. But I think the way to think about that, I is you know, our EBIT margin should end the year about in the mid-eleventh. Right? And, you know, and they’ve grown nicely over the last couple of years. I think the basic building blocks are the following. The gross margin expansion continues. I mean, our view is that the structural piece continues, say and, you know, if you take probably a five-year period, you can say that 200 basis point you know, that should help EBIT.

The SG&A leverage if you have you know, as we get to mid-single-digit growth company, I think the SG&A leverage is about 200 basis points. We may amp up advertising a little bit, you know, given the wonderful programs, our chief marketing officer, and these are invoking. I think that helped drive the brand, make the brand stronger. And importantly, drive revenue. I think that’s probably a 50 odd basis points of headwind, and that will come with revenue. So I think that’s your building blocks. So you think of gross margin expansion SG&A leverage, and a little bit of reinvestment in advertising gets you to 15%.

Ike Boruchow: Got it. Thank you.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Paul Kearney of Barclays.

Paul Kearney: Thanks for taking my question. Within the wholesale business growth, can you speak to how much was driven by maybe new points of distribution or expanded assortment versus like for like on stronger sell-throughs? And how would you categorize inventory levels within the retail channel, setting in the holidays? Thank you.

Michelle Gass: Sure. Paul, thanks for the question. So as we said in our earlier remarks, we’re quite pleased with the continued growth that we’re seeing in the channel. This is now four consecutive quarters with this quarter at 5%. We do expect the year to be slightly positive in the wholesale channel for the entire year, which was actually up from our prior expectation, which we had said previously flat to slightly up. We saw positive growth in this channel across all segments. We saw particular strength in US Wholesale. We saw it in Asia, Latin America, and in the signature business, which is more for that value consumer.

The growth is largely being driven with existing accounts as their consumers are responding to our fashion fits, women’s especially is outperforming, and lifestyle. So while we, yes, we are bringing in some new accounts like Western Wear, got new distribution, and Cavender’s were expanding in Boot Barn. The growth is largely coming from our execution with our existing partners.

Paul Kearney: Great. Thank you. Best of luck.

Michelle Gass: Yeah. Thank you.

Harmit Singh: Thank you.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Oliver Chen of TD Securities. Please go ahead, Oliver.

Oliver Chen: Thanks. Hi, Michelle. Hi, Harmit. Regarding Americas, the low single-digit growth, is your expectation that’s continues in Q4? And on the wholesale side, it’s been a little more challenging channel, but do you think it’ll remain sustainably positive, or will that be potentially volatile? Second, there’s a lot of great initiatives and partnerships with part of the thesis is also, like, amplify to simplify with inventory management. And SKU rationalization. So how do we reconcile those two in terms of where you are in that journey?

Michelle Gass: Sure. Thanks, Oliver, for the question. You know, as it relates to The Americas, or I can speak to the biggest part of the business, which is The US, we’re really proud about how the team has been executing in that market. This is our fifth consecutive quarter of growth. And because you all know, it’s our largest, most mature, most competitive market. And both channels, DTC was up 6%, wholesale up 2%, and we continue to see long-term growth opportunities in both those channels. So I think about the DTC business here in The US, we have the potential to even double our store count and further accelerate e-commerce on the back of the momentum we have.

And on wholesale, which I was just talking about more broadly, global wholesale, but wholesale in The US remains strong. And our key partners are responding and their consumers are responding to our expanded product pipeline across men’s, especially women’s, where we continue to be under-indexed, in particular in the wholesale channel, and then that head-to-toe lifestyle. As we look forward, I’ll just say that we as we look Q4 in The US and in The Americas, we expect the business to remain healthy against executing the same strategies we’ve been talking about. Leaning into DTC, you know, driving units per transaction, driving conversion, driving greater full-price sell-through.

As I was mentioning earlier, though, a lot of our growth is coming off of units. So while we are seeing that enhanced AUR, we’re also driving a lot of volume growth. But I will say as it relates to US wholesale, while we expect continued positive growth in DTC, for the fourth quarter, we do expect in US wholesale to be down given that we’re lapping a very strong quarter last year, and we had that fifty-third week. So as we lap last quarter’s fourth quarter, strong results, the fifty-third week, and just frankly, be continuing to be prudent as we think about this channel given the complex macro environment we’re operating in The US.

So Oliver, does that fully answer? And then you had part two of the question. Let me answer that, and I’ll come back and make sure I’ve fully answered. But then part two, I’m glad you asked the question about SKU rationalization because we continue to make really good progress there. So while we talk about expanded assortment, lifestyle, we are also at the same time reducing SKUs. And we’ve decreased our SKUs by about 15% compared to last year, and this has been an ongoing journey over the last eighteen months or so. So we’re continuing to raise the bar there. And what’s really enabling us to do that is through a tighter globally common or globally directed assortment.

So just for perspective, if we think about the season we’re in right now, the 2025, 40% of our SKUs are globally common. That’s up from a couple of years ago. Where it was under 10%. So that allows us to make sure, again, that we can get the breadth and the lifestyle where we’re getting significantly higher productivity per SKU. And that metric just for fun is up 20% on a SKU productivity. So, it really speaks to how the team is leaning in with a much stronger merchant mentality and operating like a retailer. That’s helping us drive those tailwinds that we’re seeing in the business overall and especially in DTC.

Oliver Chen: Yeah. Thanks, Michelle. That’s really helpful. This is quick. Harmit, are there any gross margin comparisons we should be aware of as we anniversary, them this year and think about next year?

Harmit Singh: So last year was fifty-third week. This year, I think the only piece will be, you know, we probably see tariff impact in the second half of this year. Next year, and the first half. The way we think about gross margin and I think you’re asking for high-level framework. For ’26. And it’s a good question. Let me just talk about it because as we build up plans for next year, the tailwinds that we think probably help gross margin accretion. One is we’re looking at pricing opportunities, again, targeted not only in The US but globally given that 60% of the business is global. Is outside The US. Structured improvements of DTC international women’s continues.

We continue to focus on full-price selling, and it’s not anywhere close to 100%. So there’s clearly opportunity there. The other piece is as we think about product cost, you know, Michelle talked about the simplification of SKUs. We’re looking at a shorter go-to-market calendar. And cotton commodity is in a better spot today than it was a year ago. We’ve broadly locked in product costing for the first half. We’re in the process. By the time we report and guide Q twenty-six, we’ll probably have locked in the second half. So stay tuned. And the headwind is largely tariffs. And so you’ve seen some impact in the second half of this year.

You offset the first the quarter three working you know, to try and do what we can for quarter four, but I’ve guided you the appropriate numbers. And so those are the tailwinds and the headwinds that you think about. Gross margin.

Michelle Gass: Thank you very much.

Paul Kearney: Thank you.

Operator: Our next question comes from the line of Dana Telsey of Telsey Advisory Group. Please go ahead, Dana.

Dana Telsey: Hi. Good afternoon, everyone. As you think about the lifestyle offering, Michelle, with tops and with bottoms, and jackets outfits, what did you see in the growth rates of the different categories? And given the marketing that you’ve been doing in the collaborations, how do you think of the AUR opportunities going forward? Thank you.

Michelle Gass: Great. Thanks, Dana, for the question. You know, we’re really pleased with the progress and the acceleration in our TOP business overall. And I like to say, while we’re pleased we’re not satisfied, and there’s a ton of upside because tops represent just currently 22% of our business. But as we shared earlier, our tops grew 9% overall for the quarter, 10% year-to-date, and we’re really seeing the strength across channels and genders. So if you double click underneath that, men’s up 10%, and we’re really seeing popularity in things like western tops, button downs, polos, wovens. You know, as we think about our top strategy and denim lifestyle, we do start closer to our core.

So, you know, really injecting light into, like, the western shirt, which is being advertised in our campaign right now with 20%. Similarly, women’s tops up 8%, seeing it across both channels. Denim tops, they’ll start there, up 12%. Wovens, including things like blouses, fashion, button downs, up 37%. And then the category we’re really expanding in to expand her closet, dresses and jumpsuits up nearly 20%. I think importantly, as we drive all this newness and excitement, in head-to-toe dressing, we’re seeing both growth in newness and in our core, which is really important, to continue to support both.

Kind of back to the opportunity, if you think about our business today, again, while we’re making progress, there’s so much upside. Our ratio of bottoms to tops is three to one. Now that’s up significantly from years ago where it was seven to one or five to one. But our goal is to get to one to one, and I’m very confident we will. And as we drive TOPS, it’s a UPT driver. It can be a traffic driver, and it really kind of completes this mission we’re on to have Levi’s stand for head-to-toe denim lifestyle. So hopefully that addresses your question, Dana.

Dana Telsey: Yes. Thank you.

Michelle Gass: Great. Thanks.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Aditya Kakani of UBS. Your line is open, Aditya.

Jay Sole: Hi. I think this is Jay Sole, and hopefully, you can hear me. But my question is that it sounds like you took some pricing in Q3. Harmit, I think you said one of the gross margin drivers Q3 was pricing. Was that in response to tariff in Q4? Sorry, before that, the consumer, it sounds like responded well to those price increases. Did you see any resistance in Q4? Do you plan on accelerating the price increases? And therefore, do you expect the consumer to react differently if you increase prices in the fourth quarter? Thank you.

Harmit Singh: So, Jay, we did. We took, you know, a little bit of pricing in Q3. It was not an MSRP because, you know, the goods are already been ticketed. This was in the sell-in to our customers. In The US. I’m talking about. And, you know, we do it thoughtfully. We have really great momentum, as you mentioned, driven by demand. But to answer your question, no impact on demand. We’re not seeing any impact on demand either from the customer or the consumer. The other piece that’s really working for us is our new products. Because and so as we think longer term, pricing through innovation is one lever.

We are also taking a hard look at our promotion, you know, and minimizing this as we focus on higher full-price selling. Will also, you know, be something that probably continues into ’26. So we’re thinking about pricing, it’s more important to think about what’s the price-value equation for our products relative, you know, to the marketplace, and that’s an important consideration set. The other piece that’s important, Jay, is the segmentation of a product. So if you think of the value consumer in The US, we offer signature product. It’s a great price point. It’s offered through Walmart. And it had a great quarter. It’s up double digits. We’ve just also introduced Blue Tab, which is a premium product.

It’s premium position. It’s one and a half times to two times the price of Red Tab product. And offers real value even when you benchmark that. It’s a limited offer. We hope to scale it. It’s doing really well. So that’s how one is thinking through it. And there’s a little bit of pricing in other parts of the world. But it’s not, you know, something that we’ve done globally. So when we talk about ’26 and guide ’26, we’ll give you a perspective on the pricing actions we have taken or our teams have taken around the world.

Jay Sole: Got it. Thank you so much.

Harmit Singh: Thanks.

Operator: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Paul Lejuez of Citi. Please go ahead, Paul.

Tracy Kogan: Thank you. This is Tracy Kogan filling in for Paul. I just had a follow-up on the last question. I think you said, from what I understood, that you only raised prices on sell-ins to your partners. So have you actually had time to see the consumer response to these higher prices, or were you only saying that your partners haven’t had any hesitancy to buy at these higher prices? And then just more broadly, I was hoping you could comment on The US Wholesale business, how sell-ins are comparing to sell-outs. Thank you.

Harmit Singh: Generally, Tracy, good question. I think it’s a combination of both, you know, because, you know, the pricing initiatives have been now there through the quarter. You know? A, the customers are not we don’t see any demand contraction, you know, given the marginal pricing that has been taken or consumer reaction. The consumer generally resilient, you know, so far. And that’s how we’re approaching the pricing plus the full-price selling has been there for a while. And given that the product is very relevant and hitting the mark, you know, we’re not seeing any consumer pullback. I think that was your first question. What was the second one, Tracy, again?

Tracy Kogan: I was hoping you could just comment more broadly on how the sell-in to your wholesale partners are comparing to the sell-outs. Are they being more cautious than maybe the end consumer might indicate or something like that?

Harmit Singh: No. The sell-throughs have been very consistent with the sell-in. And that’s why, you know, we are, you know, optimistic about ending the year strongly and then maintaining the momentum as we begin ’26.

Tracy Kogan: Gotcha. Thanks very much.

Harmit Singh: Thank you, Tracy.

Operator: Thank you. At this time, I’d like to turn the floor back over to Michelle Gass for any closing remarks. Madam?

Michelle Gass: Yes. Thank you, everyone, for joining the call, and we will look forward to talking to you at the end of Q4.

Operator: Thank you. This concludes today’s conference call. Please disconnect your lines at this time.

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Park Aerospace (PKE) Q2 2026 Earnings Transcript

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DATE

Thursday, October 9, 2025 at 5 p.m. ET

CALL PARTICIPANTS

Chairman & Chief Executive Officer — Brian Shore

President & Chief Operating Officer — Mark Esquivel

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TAKEAWAYS

Sales — $16,003,810 in sales for fiscal Q2 2026, slightly above Park Aerospace (PKE 0.97%)‘s previous estimate of $15 million to $16 million.

Gross profit — $5,001,160 in gross profit for fiscal Q2 2026, with a gross margin of 31.2%, despite pressures from low-margin C2B fabric sales and ongoing new plant expenses.

Adjusted EBITDA — Adjusted EBITDA was $3,401,000, at the top end of Park Aerospace’s prior estimate of $3 million to $3.4 million, resulting in an adjusted EBITDA margin of 20.8%.

C2B fabric sales impact — $1.65 million in C2B fabric sold at a small markup weighed on gross margin; $415,000 in ablative materials manufactured with C2B fabric, which command much higher margins, partially offset this effect.

Production vs. sales — Sales closely matched production value during the quarter, resulting in no impact on the bottom line from inventory imbalances.

Customer requalification of C2B fabric — Requalification resumed normal production on 90% of specifications; the remaining 10% is under test, a process estimated to take another nine to twelve months.

Missed shipments — $510,000 attributed to customer certification, and testing delays.

Tariffs — Net tariff impact was minimal at $1,700, with costs passed through, and future exposure is expected to remain limited under current arrangements, as discussed on the fiscal Q2 2026 earnings call.

MRAS LTA price increase — 6.5% weighted average price hike became effective January 1 for the MRAS LTA as stipulated in the long-term agreement.

GE Aerospace sales forecast update — Park Aerospace now forecasts $27.5 million to $29 million in GE Aerospace program sales for fiscal 2026, down from a previous estimate of $28 million to $32 million, with current figures based on updated backlog and booking data.

Q3 outlook — Park Aerospace estimates sales of $16.5 million to $17.5 million for fiscal Q3 2026 and adjusted EBITDA of $3.7 million to $4.1 million.

Expansion capital budget increase — Estimated capital expenditure for new manufacturing facilities rose to $40 million to $45 million due to added line requirements.

Cash and balance sheet — $61.6 million in cash and marketable securities reported at quarter-end after a $4.9 million transition tax payment.

No share repurchases — No shares were bought back during the quarter or to date in fiscal Q3 under the current buyback authorization.

SUMMARY

Management disclosed that customer-driven stockpiling of C2B fabric continues to distort product mix, temporarily compressing margins but likely supporting future high-margin material sales as demand converts. Strategic clarity was provided around the critical role of Park Aerospace’s proprietary materials in missile defense and aerospace programs, including the company’s sole-source position on the Patriot missile system’s ablative materials. Park Aerospace signaled intent to further expand U.S. manufacturing capacity for C2B fabric, highlighting both existing and planned investments via partnerships and new plant expenditures. Unlike the previous year, management emphasized that industry OEMs are increasingly collaborating with suppliers and ramping up production to meet robust underlying demand. Long-term sales targets for fiscal 2026 were not formally issued, but management stated that total sales should exceed $70 million, driven by growth in both defense and commercial aerospace programs.

Mark Esquivel stated, “We have approval at about 90% of the specification,” regarding C2B customer requalification, with the remainder expected to take up to twelve more months to resolve.

CEO Shore asserted, “That represents very significant revenue with Park. We’re sole source qualified in that program,” citing sole-source qualification and sharply rising production requirements.

Management described the company’s operational approach as centered on flexibility, urgency, and responsiveness, emphasizing these as Park Aerospace’s core value drivers for customer relationships.

Park Aerospace’s expansion timetable was clarified, with objectives to have plans finalized and implementation underway by year-end to address surging defense and aerospace demand.

INDUSTRY GLOSSARY

C2B fabric: A specialized ablative composite material distributed exclusively by Park Aerospace in North America, primarily for missile defense applications such as the Patriot missile program.

MRAS LTA: Long-term agreement with Middle River Aerostructure Systems (MRAS), under which Park Aerospace is the sole-source provider of composite materials for a range of GE Aerospace jet engine programs.

AOG: Aircraft on Ground; an operational situation where an aircraft is grounded due to technical or maintenance issues, relevant for customer experience and supply chain urgency.

FAL: Final Assembly Line; a manufacturing line where the major components of an aircraft are brought together for assembly and delivery.

Full Conference Call Transcript

Brian Shore: Thank you very much, operator. This is Brian. Welcome everybody to the Park Aerospace Fiscal 2026 Second Quarter Investor Conference Call. I have with me as usual Mark Esquivel, our President and COO. We announced our earnings right after the close. In the earnings release, there are instructions as to how you can access the presentation we’re about to go through. Either via link, and you also can link information in the news release and also on our website. You want to pick that up because we’re gonna go through it. It’ll be a lot more meaningful to listen to us if you have the presentation in front of you. So we have quite a few new investors.

Last quarter, they’ve come on board. And out of consideration for them, I think we should go through some of the legacy items more carefully. I think in the past, legacy items, we just kind of skim over on the assumption that most people already know, are familiar with them. Veteran investors, just please be patient with that. Another item I want to cover with you is that on Tuesday, I had some unplanned oral surgery, and I’m not really feeling that great. So hope you can bear with me. And if I need Mark to take over, I’m sure he’ll be very willing and able to do that.

Questions at the end after we’re done with the presentation, we’ll take questions. And please do ask them. We love questions. Actually, sometimes linked to questions are more meaningful in the presentation. We go through a presentation. We don’t know whether you’re liking it, not liking it, interested, or half asleep. You know, the questions are always more helpful because we then know what people are really interested in, what they’re thinking about. So why don’t we go ahead and get started with the presentation? Slide two is our forward-looking disclaimer language. We’re not gonna go through that. But if you have any questions about it, please let us know. Slide three, table of contents.

Starting on slide one is our Q2 investor presentation, we’re about to go through now. In appendix one, we have supplementary financial information. We’re not gonna go through that during the call, but if you have any questions about it, please let us know. It’s become our practice now or pattern, I guess, to feature James the James Webb Space Telescope in our table of contents. So what we’re talking about here, James Webb Space Telescope discovered cosmic dust which shouldn’t exist outside its galaxy. You know, but shouldn’t exist in quotes. Because I think we’re developing a common theme here. There’s so much that we believed about the universe and its origin, which just isn’t true. Sorry, folks.

Not true. James Webb saying, well, you could believe whatever you want, but these are what’s really going on. So here’s another one of those. Thank you, James Webb Space Telescope. The James Webb Space Telescope was produced with 18 prior Park proprietary Sigma stretch. Let’s go on slide four. Kind of more nitty-gritty stuff here. So quarterly results, let’s look at the right-hand column of the second quarter that we just announced. Sales, $16,003,810. Gross profit, $5,001,160. Gross margin, 31.2%. So we’re happy about gross margins over 30 or maybe I should say we’re unhappy when they’re not over 30.

And it’s good that they’re over 30 because there are a couple of things we’ll talk about in a second that drag down our margins. Adjusted EBITDA, $3,401,000. And adjusted EBITDA margin, 20.8%. What do we say about Q2 during our Q1 call on July 15? Set our sales estimate was $15 to $16 million, so we came a little bit above that. EBITDA estimate, $3 million to $3.4 million. So we came in kind of the top of the range of the EBITDA. I just want to remind you, especially for some of our new investors that we don’t this is not guidance. We don’t do guidance.

We give an estimate we’re saying to you, this is what we think is gonna happen. Now we could be wrong, but this is what we think. There’s I don’t know. Let’s call it practice. We have different terms for it, but let’s call it practice where everybody does it almost where, you know, let’s say it’s gonna be a hundred, they think it’s gonna be a 100. They go out with 90, you know, that’s their guidance. So then when they come out when they come back with a 100, they come out with a 100, then they’re heroes. And I don’t know. We think that’s not worthy of our time.

When we give you an estimate, we’re saying this is what we think is gonna happen. We’re not giving you a number which we plan to beat. Okay? Let’s go on to slide five. Q2 considerations. We always talk, well, always in the last few quarters, Erinn Group is as impact on a lot of things, including the quarter. So we entered into this business partner agreement with Aaron Group. It’s a very large aerospace company in France. Great company and they’re a JV between Airbus and Safran, I believe. And in January 22, we were we’ve been actually working for twenty years. They appointed us exclusive distributor of their Raycarb c two b fabric.

That fabric is used to produce ablative composite materials for XHANCE missile systems programs. Now, sold $1.65 million of that fabric in Q2. As we previously explained, we saw that fabric to our defense industry customers for a small markup. What’s going on here is the defense industry customers are stockpiling the c two b. We’re the exclusive distributor though, so they buy it from us. We buy it from we’re distributor, not a rep. We buy from area. And then we sell it or sell it, I should say, to the OEM.

But it’s of a strange thing because we keep the c two b fabric in our plant because the OEM eventually will ask us to produce prefabric with it. So even though we sell to them and it’s their product, it’s kept on the plan. The markup is small, so we have a significant amount of c two b fabric sales that’s gonna push down our margins. And we sold $415,000 with blade materials manufactured with c two b fabric in Q2. Now the margins on the later materials that we produce those fabric, very, very good. Very good. So that’s the offset.

But it’s still the ratio of sales of fabric to ablative materials manufactured with the CTB fabric are still at a balance. Right? So more fabric than materials, prefrac, let’s call it, What’s the reason? I already said it because the OEMs are stockpiling this product. A more normal kind of ratio would be forty sixty. So 40% would be the materials, and 60% would be the fabric. That’s not always gonna be exactly it, but just to give you a sense, So you see that the ratio is much more than forty sixty here, and that’s gonna drive down our margins. So let’s talk about let’s go on to Slide six rather.

Oh, we’re still on the topic of c two b fabric requalification by one of Park’s key customers of c two b fabric. This was kind of a it’s been a big deal for the last few quarters. Adam, Mark, I like, always give Mark the hard stuff to talk about. Can you help us with what’s going on with that recall?

Mark Esquivel: Yeah. So we actually do have an update this time. I think the last couple calls we said we’re waiting for approval. So do we do have approval. We don’t have full approval. We have approval at about 90% of the specification. I have to get too technical. There’s you know, there’s a requirement within the spec that you have to lower and then upper range. They were somewhere in the middle. They moved down closer to the commercial specification as we call it. Which gets us back into production at, you know, 90 plus percent of everything we have.

So, what we’re doing now is they’re currently testing that last 10% which will probably take another nine to twelve months. So, you know, we’ll continue to talk about know, when we get that approval. But as far as the program’s concerned, we’re back in business. We’re back running. You know, and we’re back to, I would say, you know, normal typical rates that we were running you know, prior to, you know, this I won’t say, issue coming up, but this recall coming up. So and we actually expect to see, you know, some upside, you know, in coming quarters, you know, and Brian will talk about some of that piece as well.

But I guess the story here, the message here is we’re pretty much back in business with, you know, running at our normal level.

Brian Shore: Okay. Thanks, Mark. Good news. Let’s keep moving here. Production versus sales. You bring this up because this has been an issue. Issue in prior quarters in terms of the impact on the bottom line. But in our Q2, our sales value production, we call it SCP, that’s not inventory value. That’s the value production. It’s a sales price. It was well matched with our sales. And that’s a good thing. That means it’s not that’s really very no meaningful, not no impact on bottom line. When our sales exceed our production, that is by a significant amount. That is a negative impact on the bottom line. But no impact in Q2.

And then last thing we’ll talk about in terms of bottom line impacts, significant ongoing expenses. This is something we had in our presentation for several quarters now. It’s not going away anytime soon. We’re operating our new manufacturing facility in Q2, including all these other expenses. And this act this is significant. So that’s why I was saying that the gross margin being over 31%, I think, that’s actually not bad because there’s two factors that hold it down. One is this the expenses related to new plant, the other is the let’s call, excess c two b fabric compared to the c two b material sales.

Total miss shipments, a little bit of surprise here. $510,000, that number is way up. But, you know, last few quarters, we keep talking about international shipping issues. That’s not the issue this time. This time, it’s something different. It’s customer certification, testing delays, a little bit of a new story here. It happens sometimes. You know, it just happens. Not it’s nothing we can do about it. It’s not our fault. Or anything like that, but sometimes it just delays insurance and certification and engineering work and testing delays. So that had a meaningful impact upon our shipments in Q2. So let’s go on to Slide seven, impact of tariffs and tariff split costs. You know what?

I should say net impact. I’m saying that to Mark earlier. It should say net impact the tariff and tariff related cost because we have tariffs. It’s just that the net impact takes into account the pass through. So very minimal in Q2. Hardly anything, but that’s the net impact. That’s not the total tariff. That’s a net impact because of the fact that we passed the tariff cost on. And then the future impacts, I think we’ll get back to that later Mark will talk through that later on in the presentation. Why don’t we go on to slide eight? So this is a slide we do every quarter, as you know.

Some of you veterans are probably tired of the top five, and it’s kinda usual suspects also. Like, alright. GKN, Kratos, MRAS, Tech. And. Tech is not well, you know, has it’s kind of a little bit of a new name for us, but the rest are usually suspects. The 7,500 that refers to Nordium, the h three two one n with XLR, that’s an that’s an MRAS program. Kratos, obviously, is Kratos, and the seven eight seven Dreamliner, that’s GKN. That’s for the Gen X one b engine. So it’s a it’s a g engine, but it’s not part of the MRAS LTA, which we’ll go into that later. Let’s go on slide nine.

So here we have our estimated revenues by air aerospace market segments. We call them our pie charts. I know about you, but I like to use it. Think they tell a bit of a story. Fiscal twenty one, that was the pandemic year where commercial aircraft was remember, there were airplanes, pictures of, like, seven thirty sevens not falling at all. Like, two people on them and they were, you know, basically, they were being parked. And then after that, the pie charts, you know, seem to be fairly stable.

Interesting what will be interesting is to see what will happen in the future because the commercial is gonna be accelerating because the program’s are on as those programs ramp up, but military will be accelerating a lot. This is probably it could go down as a percentage. We’ll see about that. Let’s go on to slide 10. Park Plus, niche military state programs. So we have a little pie chart here Radomes, missile systems, unmanned aircraft, all niche markets for us, some markets. But even aircraft structures are niche markets for us. So we actually changed we used to call it what, rocket nozzles, I think.

We changed the missile systems because the missile systems, we supply it to more than just the rock and nozzle other aspects of missiles that we supply it to. I think we used call unmanned aircraft drones, but I think more politically correct term is unmanned aircraft, but there’s no change in there. You know what? And other than nice pictures and you could see what the programs are, we really are not gonna talk about these programs anymore. It’s just not really appropriate. For us to say very much about the programs except understand, please, any picture we show you, that means it’s a program we’re on, not a program we like or a cool picture or something. Okay.

You got it. Let’s go on to slide 11. GE Aerospace and Engine programs. Again, a slide every quarter. But for the benefit of some of our new investors, let me try to explain quickly. So we have a firm LTA requirements contract for nineteen to twenty nine with MRAS Middle River Aerostructure Systems, a sub of ST Engineering Aerospace, You see we’re sole source for, you know, for composite materials. For all these programs, which are all GE programs. So what’s going on here? If you look at all the checked items below, they’re all GE engine programs.

And then what’s going on here is that even we got on these programs with GE Aviation, even before 2019 when Ameres was owned by GE Aviation. Now GE Aerospace. We got on these programs even before that. They were predecessor LTAs before this nineteen to twenty nine LTA. And then I think about five years ago, GE sold MRAS to ST Engineering, which is a large Singapore aerospace company. So that’s the explanation there. I’ve done a factory, you know about that. You know, when I guess around 02/2019, g said to us, look. You know, Park we’re gonna put we’ll give you this ten year agreement for sole solar source and all this stuff.

All these great programs, wonderful programs, but, you know, we really are concerned about redundancy. So would you please build on the factory? And we said, yes. We checked that box. That’s been done. I’m not gonna go through the individual program, maybe except to get didn’t know to talk about the first five are really all eight through 20 neo family aircraft programs. Alright. Do you have any questions about the specific programs? Just let us know. Let’s go on to slide 12 just to keep moving along here. Item the first item on slide 12, we’re just continuing here.

It’s this is a little bit of a nuance here because this is this program is was mentioned in the prior slide, but this is a different component. This and this also is part of our GE Aerospace LTA not necessarily the not the MRAS LTA. So I’m probably gonna hang only the technical, not necessary. Fan case is something we should talk about for a second. This is with g nine x engine triple seven x airplane. This is produced with our AFP material and other composite materials or the major fire replacement. That’s what the AFP stands for. It’s a robotic way, method for producing composite structures.

And this is planned to be included in the LIFER program, MRC life of program agreement. Next item. We had a 6.5% weighted average price increase in our MRASLTA effective January 1. That was that was already built in the s LTA, you know, a long time ago. And next item, park the LTA was park MRSA LTA was meant to include three proprietary formulation products and those are now going undergoing qualification Then life of program agreement have requested by MRAS and STE So we’re still negotiating this, I guess, and I think there’s a meeting that’s being planned for next month. We’ll see what happens. As I said to you many times, we’re okay either way.

This is requested by SDE and MRAS. It’s something they want. They want the stability of long term supply. But either we’re okay either way. If we do it, that’s fine. If not, we’ll be fine. As well. And it’s still under negotiation. It I don’t wanna give you the wrong impression It’s all, like, actually negotiating. We it’s like we talk about it, then three months go by, and then, you know, so I think now we’re planning to have some get together in December to sorry, November to hopefully get through this. We’ll see. We’ll keep you posted.

Item page 13 rather, slide 13, So let’s talk an update on some of these GA change programs, age between a Neo family. That’s a wonderful, wonderful program that Park is on, sole source qualified. And let’s talk about that program. Everybody says a huge backlog of these airplanes, over 7,000 of them. That’s a lot of airplanes. A lot of airplanes. And let’s just talk about the well, whether the we can take a look at the aircraft, the A320neo family aircraft deliveries. We’re not gonna go through it here, but, you know, you can see what’s going on here.

With the amount of orders that Airbus has, we’ll get to in a second, they would be at a much higher rate. Than this. They’d be at 75 per month. What’s be what’s holding them back is issues with supply chain. So this year, year to date, we’re at 44, but don’t get fooled by that because they usually, kinda make their year in the last three months. And if you look at September, you could see what’s going on here. They’re already the Airbus is already ramping up 59. We’re delivered in ’59 is your 20 neo family aircraft delivered in September. Let’s keep going. Slide 14, just continuing here. The importantly, the engine supply bottleneck.

Remember I said that one of big issue is supply chain restrictions That’s what’s preventing Airbus from ramping up. To their target of 75, which gives it a minute 75 per month. CFM, they have another engine. Let’s just talk about CFM, the LEAP one a engine. Reportedly improving that it’s getting better. And I think that’s a deliberate focus by g and SCFM, which is a very good thing because that’s probably the most significant restriction to Airbus’s ability to ramp up to that 75. They it’d be up there now, they upon how many orders they have. So that’s that’s very good news actually.

As we already alluded to, Airbus is targeting a delivery rate of 75, eight H320neo family per month you could see that, you know, they’re still at, you know, 50 to 55, so they still have a way to go, quite a way to go. Two engines approved for the a three twenty neo aircraft. We’re on the CFM LEAP one a engine. We’re not on the we have nothing no content on the Pratt and Whitney GTF engine. And so I guess that covers the second bullet item. We supply into the h three twenty family aircraft using the LEAP-1A engine.

According to the second quarter, 2025 edition of Aero Engine News, which is kinda like a bible, for us anyway. The CFM LEAP one a’s market share with you know, compared to the Pratt market share, aforementioned orders, A320neo family, 20 neo family aircraft per month, that’s 64.7% market share translates into 1,165 LEAP engines per year. That’s a real lot of engines and, you know, lots of revenue per park at that point. Slide 15, As of June 30, 2025, few months ago, were a little over 8,000 firm LEAP one a engine orders. These are not These are LEAP one a engine orders where we’re sole source qualified. Over 8,000.

If you wanna look at slide 29, you get a feel for what our revenue per unit is due to, you know, get your pocket calculator out and do the math. You could see what that worth to us. Those are just the firm orders that are in the books now. So this is a big deal for Park. The Airbus h three twenty one XLR, and this is a variant. We’re still talking a three twenty family. Okay? We’re not off to a different aircraft. This is part of the a 20 family. This is recently introduced, supposedly changed the air map of the world. Why is that?

Because the payload and range capability of this aircraft are very unusual for a single aisle. So it allows a single aisle to compete against wide bodies, but obviously, at much lower cost. So that’s why it’s changing your map of the world. Qantas is you know, very involved in the program, American Airlines, Iberia Airlines. The reason I highlight this is a lot of lot of airlines are buying this airplane. Why am I highlighting this They call it a game changer. But what’s really, I think, very impressive to me is that they say they claim they’ve had almost no AOGs that’s aircraft on grounds after almost a year. That’s really a big deal.

Because normally, the first year or two, there’s all kind of bugs you have to get out of a new airplane, a new design, and the airplane sits on the ground a lot. And it’s kind of you just expect it. It’s not good because, you know, when the air airplane’s sitting on the ground, the airlines aren’t making any money. And you kind of expect that if you get a, you know, an airplane that’s been recently certified and delivered. But here you go, they’re they’re saying almost no way AOGs. I’ve never heard of anything like that. That’s quite impressive. Boeing has no response. To this aircraft. Let’s go on to slide 16.

Mark Esquivel: So still on a three twenty here, folks.

Brian Shore: Airbus plans to open a new a three twenty aircraft family final assembly lines, FALs, in The US and China this month. Know, this couple weeks. So these two new FALs in combination with the existing FALs, FALs in Germany and France will provide Airbus with the manufacturing capability to achieve a 75 h 20 neo aircraft per month delivery goal in ’27. So, you know, this is nice because Airbus is they’re putting your money more than mouth this year. These FALs are they’re they’re a big deal. So that’s good news. And then breaking news, October 7 oh, this is the day in my oral surgery, I think. Yeah. There are two big things happened on October 7.

That’s just two days ago. The a three twenty aircraft family became the world’s most liver commercial jet ever. Of course, that means it beat out the seven thirty seven Not just a max. This is the seven thirty seven family versus the a three twenty family. pretty big news, I guess. COMC nine one nine that’s a Chinese made aircraft. Comac is targeting oh, this airplane is designed to compete single aisle with They’re targeting a thirty nine one nine aircraft delivered in 25. But recent and confirmed reports saying they’re probably for sure for sure that this target. I can’t tell you I’m very surprised.

I probably would’ve you know, to be just totally candid about it, I would be more surprised if they met the target. I’m not gonna go into why, but it but I’m not I’m not surprised or really disappointed. Malaysian Airlines, AirAsia, has confirmed its advanced talks to purchase these airplanes. Why is that important? Why am I on that? Because there are a lot of air airlines that are buying this airplane. But the reason I’m focusing on is this is a non Chinese airline. This airplane is certified by the Chinese FAA, I think, called CAAC or something like that. So the thought was originally this Comac airplanes would be China only airplanes.

Well, that’s not what Comac wants. They’re still the airplane outside of China for operations outside of China. The plan to achieve reduction rate of 200 airplanes But what’s interesting here, they’re they delivered it to same kind of topic really. Laos Airlines, Air Cambodia, signed up. Again, what’s what’s the theme here? Non Chinese airlines. So, originally, you’re thinking the China the Comac airplanes are gonna be China only, but that’s obviously not what Comac wants. Triple seven x, Boeing triple seven x, we have slowed down a little bit talk, but this one, this is a, you know, important program for 1,500 out flights and nearly 4,100 out flight hours. That’s a lot. That’s good.

This picture was taken by a friend of mine a couple of few years ago when the triple seven x was doing cold weather testing in Fairbanks, Good place to go for cold weather testing. So let’s talk let’s go on slide 18. Sorry. Boner poorly 565 open orders for the airplane. Boeing had previously announced that the airplane program was on track for certification late twenty five and entry into service. 26. The Boeing CEO recently stated the certification program is falling behind schedule. The CEO further stated the aircraft and the engine did Gen X engines, the nine x range, g nine x engine are really performing quite well.

And that the potential delay in certification was being caused by increasingly deliberate FPA scrutiny. Get the sense there’s some tension there Boeing and the FAA. You I do anyway. A key gating item for is the receipt of the called the type inspection authorization from the FAA. Because as the CEO explains, you know, they can fly these airplanes. They need to have five airplanes to use for certification program, but those flights don’t really count, you know, towards certification. Till they get to the TIA. There’s a lot of boxes that have to be checked for airplane to be certified. So they can go fly the airplane, which is good.

They can learn a lot more about the airplane, but they can’t check those boxes until they get their TIA from the FAA. Boeing hasn’t announced any new targets for the certification and EIS, but speculations that they’d be pushed into next year at ’26. Let’s go on to slide 19. So let’s talk about big picture GE aerospace jet engine sales history forecast estimates. The top is the sales history. One go control history accepted the site and q $27,500,000.0. But a little higher than we forecast. GE Aerospace program sale forecast, sales forecast estimates, Again, not guidance estimates.

Two three, we’re estimating $7.5 to $8,000,000 And total for the year, got a slow down here a little bit, $27.5 to 29,000,000 Now in our prior presentation, we indicated that we’re looking at 28 to 32,000,000 for the year for fiscal twenty six. But as we explained to you, information called a bill plan from our customer. Wasn’t our forecast. It was their forecast. Now we have now the current forecast 27 and half to 29. That’s now part forecast based upon what? Based upon the backlog for Q3 and Q4. Q3 is already booked. Q4 is partially booked and what we expect, you know, based on lots of life experience to the additional bookings for Q4.

So now this is our number, 27 and a half 29,000,000. Let’s go on to Slide 20. Park’s financial performance history and forecast estimates. Estimate singular. So we just have the history up top. You already saw this just for perspective and context. Down below, our Q3 twenty six Q3 financial forecast estimates. Now plural Uh-oh. Sales of 16 and a half to 17 and a half million, Adjusted EBITDA, 3.7 to 4,100,000.0. That’s our estimate for Q3. You have any questions about that, just let us know. So let’s go on to slide 21. This is just history, and we’ve showed you the slide for the last several quarters.

We think it’s interesting just so you can see what’s going on here. Historically. You go from 17 to 20, like, every year. We increased by about 10,000,000, then we got stalled out. So we’re kind of at into fiscal twenty five, we’re pretty much where we were fiscal twenty. And, obviously, that’s because of the pandemic You know, the pandemic really had a very big impact on commercial aerospace. It wasn’t the pandemic so much, it’s how we responded to it, how the industry responded to it, especially with respect to supply chain issues that’s held back commercial aerospace. So just one other thing. We’re not giving you a forecast for fiscal twenty six this time.

But we believe that the number will be over 70,000,000 for fiscal twenty six. We’ll just give you that number. We’re not giving EBITDA, not giving details I think what’s going on here, though, is the industry is getting religion. And it’s not just an opinion. This is based on my life of input we received. Different kind of attitude on the part of the OEM in terms of ramp up to meet demand and also working with suppliers and supply chain in a much more productive and you know, a more, I know, more collaborative way. Sorry. Coming up trying to come up that word collaborative way. So it’s not just a little thing. It’s a big thing.

It’s it’s very palpable in the industry. Happens. But to us, it seems like there’s something really going on here. And we’re not we’re not alone in that opinion. We’re not alone in that opinion. So let’s see what happens. You know, just so you know, we’re probably looking about a little over 70,000,000 for fiscal twenty five. Let’s go on to slide 22. Okay. General park updates. Agreements with Arian. Okay. We gotta slow down with Arian again. We entered in that business partner agreement in January 22, wondering which Arian ported up. Pointed us as exclusive North American distributor. We already covered that. Okay?

But then on March 27, ’25, just early this year, Park and Aaron entered part they’re a great partner. They’re a wonderful partner. We love them. I entered into a new agreement under which Park will advance I don’t know. It’s probably about 5,000,000 for million, €587,000 against future purchases by Park of c two b fabric. These funds will be used by Erie to help finance the purchase of additional installation of new manufacturing equipment for Aireon’s production of the p c two fabric in France. And that was that should be paid to area in three installments the first of which is already paid about, you know, $1,000,303,176,000 euro. That’s about $1,500,000.

So that would affect our cash when we reported Q1. Let’s move to Slide 23 rather. The purpose newest of this new agreement is to provide additional c two b fabric manufacturing capacity to support the rapidly increasing demand for c two b in c two b fabric in Europe and North America. Just so you know, one of the big programs that uses c two b fabric is the Patriot Missile Program. Ariane Group recently asked to partner to partner again with them on a study related to the potential significant increase of c two b fabric manufacturing capacity presumably in The US. The study expected cost about €700,000.

We split it $50.50, so that’s probably about $410,000 Park, and we’ll record that when our Q3 is a special item. Just want to be aware of that. We’ll get back to this later on the presentation on the area study. Just continuing with general updates, our lightning strike protection material certified on the Passport 20 engine. Using the using the Bombardier Global 7,508,000 Bisinjet. Its revenue is about approximately 500,000 per year expected on our LSB material. We’re very happy about this. Our LSB is already qualified, approved, and used on the a three twenty and the nine one nine, but have not just getting it approved now.

On the s four twenty engine and also thought to get approved on what’s called the 10 a engine for the back nine zero nine. So and we expect that these revenues will start to kick in fairly soon, let’s say, in a couple of months. Slide 24, still updates. This is just something we covered already. We signed we entered into an LTA with Aerospace. And for calendar years twenty five to thirty. Parked and then another update. Parked discussion with two Asian industrial conglomerates relating to Asian manufacturing. Do inventors continue? We’ve been talking about this for a while. John Jamieson’s in Asia now working on this project along with one of our other guys.

So we’ll see what happens. Seems interesting, but we’ll see what happens. Okay, Mark. Your turn. Tariff, international trade issues, what’s the expected impact of tariffs going forward, you think?

Mark Esquivel: I don’t think much. I know this quarter alone, we had about $1,700, which, you know, we don’t like to take on any additional cost. But that was mostly, you know, nonmaterial. Items. So going forward, again, as I mentioned before, we got ahead of this pretty early. You know, we’re, we put controls in place to manage it. We’re, passing the cost along to our customers, whether it’s through you know, contracts or, you know, stuff like our POs or stuff like that or order confirmation. So I don’t expect you know, to see much. I mean, it’s obviously a dynamic situation. I don’t think all the tariffs are completely locked in.

It’s been a little quiet in the news lately. But where we’re at today and what we’ve seen so far, it’s it’s very impact to our business.

Brian Shore: K. Thanks, Mark. So let’s keep going here. Current MRAS supplier core scorecard or scores. What happened? We don’t have all hundreds. Here. We don’t have all hundreds. Does MRS still love us? Yeah. I think they do. I think I mentioned to you in prior quarters that told that most suppliers would be happy to get eighties. And Emirates finds it a little bit humorous that we ask, well, what happened? And what we doing what do we need to do to fix these tissues? It’s called technical issue in terms of what how we recorded something. So we take it seriously. We’re we’re a 100 company. We’re not a 99.7 country, company rather. So we take it seriously.

And, like I said, MRC I think, finds it a little amusing that we spent so much time talking about why we’re not on a what not why we didn’t get a 100 on when we reached scores. Let’s go on to slide 25. So making customers love us, this is still in our general updates, is central to what we call parks egg strategy. How do we make our customers love us? With our calling cards of flexibility, urgency, and responsiveness? By asking how high before our customers say jump. And we’re not kidding about this. We’ll go to customers and say, what else can we do? What else can we do? What else can we do?

Before they even ask us for anything. Making customers love us is a boiler room thing, not a boardroom thing. You know, the board’s on board. With a strategy. You know? We’ve certainly reviewed it with the board. But the strategy happens on the factory floor, not on the boardroom. That’s where the rubber hits the road. It’s up to all our people to make the strategy work. It’s a boiler room thing. So first, for this strategy to work, all of our people need to be bought into it and feel passionate about it. Making customers love us is the secret to our success.

You know, it’s a hidden plain sight secret You know, sometimes the most brilliant ideas are the most obvious ones. With a benefit of hindsight and the well, why didn’t I think of that? I don’t know. Why didn’t you think of So the secret is kind of hidden plain sight, but it’s a secret to our success. Slide 26, buyback authorization. We don’t have to spend a lot of time on this. Let’s just go down to the last two check items We did not purchase any shares, and in fiscal in our second quarter, and we don’t we’ve not purchased any shares so far in our third quarter date.

I don’t think we’ll be my feeling, my opinion is we probably won’t be purchasing too many shares in the near future, but we’ll see about that. Slide 27, again, this is just gonna review Park’s balance sheet cash and incredible cash dividend history. Long term debt, we don’t have any. We had reported $61,600,000.0 of cash and marketable securities. At the end of Q2. But we also made a final transition tax installment payment of $4,900,000.0 in Q2. And Q1, we recorded cash in into q 1 of $656,000,000. So if you take that $4,900,000.0 subtracted from $65.6 million, it gets you to that $61,600,000.0 number more or less. It explains the difference.

Forty sec consecutive years of interrupted uninterrupted regular cash dividends, and we’ve now paid over $606,000,000 or going in $9 and cents per share in cash dividends since the beginning of fiscal two thousand five. This is our Park Founders. The run reason we placed a picture of our Park Founders here is because we started out with basically nothing. We’re two guys that started the company, I think, in 1954 with about $40,000 that they had saved from war duty. And, you know, here we are paying over $600,000,000 of cash dividends in last twenty years or so. Let’s go on to slide 28. Okay.

We can kind of skim through this because these three slides are exactly how the same slides that we showed you last quarter. I think the quarter before that. Financial outlooks for GE Aerospace change and Juggernaut, call it Juggernaut. It’s a timing. We’re not sure where to talk about yeah, the nine one nine is, you know, a little slow ramping up. And the triple seven x is having a little more difficult difficulty getting certified. So we don’t know. We don’t really spend a lot of time worrying about that. But the thing is that we say it’s a juggernaut. It’s coming. It can’t be stopped, and the key thing for us is we better be ready.

You go on to slide 29. There’s no change. Anything here that all the numbers are exactly the same. Like I said, the pre you know, relate to a previous slide, we feel that GE and CFM have kind of gotten a religion that they’re they’re really focused on ramping up production and working closely and collaboratively with the supply chain. Slide 30 is just footnotes related to the prior slides. We won’t go through those. If you have any questions, any of this, let us know. Okay. Let’s go on to slide 31, Warren Peace, Park Gingernaut. Peace for the Question War. These slides came from originated in the last quarter, although there’s some updates to them.

The first thing I wanna cover again though is we’re not providing any inside information on any of these programs. All every all this information in these slides is based upon publicly reported news and reports. We don’t give away inside information. Especially with defense programs. Unprecedented demand for missile systems. Missile systems stockpiles have been seriously depleted by the wars in Europe and Mideast there’s an urgent need to replenish the depleted missile system stockpiles. According to Wall Street Journal reporting, the Pentagon is pushing defense OEMs to double or even quadruple missile system production on a breakneck schedule quotes, partly in preparation for potential conflict with China.

List of Pentagon targeted missile systems, including PAC three missile system, the LRASM, and the s m six. The Patriot missile system is a particular priority. I think you should know the park is on all those programs, participates in all those programs, all three of them. Review and update of the PAC three Patriot missile system. The reason we spend more time talking about this is a lot of public visibility and information about it. Some of the other programs we’re on, it could be quite significant, but we’re not able to even mention what they are.

The largest deployment of PACS prepaid missile systems in history occurred in response to Iran’s ballistic missile strikes on our air base in Qatar. Going on to slide 32, What happened here, in anticipation of this, I guess we knew what’s gonna happen, We moved Patriot missile system to Qatar from South Korea and Japan knowing what was coming And we called it a shell game, you know, moving the systems one place to another. That’s not sustainable. The Department of War wants to very significantly increase patriot missile stockpiles in Asia to protect bases and allies in the Pacific region. So this is not working out very well at all, is it?

We take missile systems out of South Korea and Japan because we have this issue with Iran. And now we deplete their systems when the Department of War wants to significantly increase the patriot missile stockpiles in Asia. See the problem? So just public stuff. Israelis supply a patriot missile systems seriously depleted. Ukraine supply of patron missile systems. Seriously depleted. Other countries have been waiting for Patriot missile systems for years.

September 3225, Lockheed’s Missile and Fire Control division received its biggest contract in history, a $9.8 billion award from the US Army 1,970 Patriot missiles Patriot missiles According to the Wall Street Journal, the Department of War wants suppliers to ramp up to produce approximately 2,000 Patriot missiles per year which is almost four times the current production rate. Didn’t we say something about quadruple in the prior slide? We did. Four times production rate. So we’re talking about well, we’ll get to I’m gonna wait and wait. We’ll get to in a second because I thought you say park is all sorts qualified. We’ll get to that in a second. Let’s go on to slide 33.

Patriot missile systems are planned to be incorporated into the Golden Dome. As apparent from the reporting that The US plans to do much more than just replenish these depleted systems. So next hour item, parts ports, the patron missile system with specially ablated materials produced in areas of c two b fabric, And Parker sole source qualified for specially ablated materials on this program. So I was gonna say at the bottom of slide three two, there’s 2,000 missiles per year. That represents very significant revenue with Park. We’re sole source qualified in that program. Park, we’re back to slide 33. Sorry to bounce around on you here.

Parkers recently asked to increase our expected output of specially inflated materials for the program by significant orders of magnitude. We can’t really say how much but significant orders of magnitude, hopefully, that gives some kind of feel for what’s going on here. And we will fully support this request partly with the additional manufacturing capacity provided by our major facilities expansion, which we’ll discuss below. Remember that Park recently entered into this new agreement going back to area? With Arian for the purpose of increasing c two b fabric manufacturing capacity. Let’s go on to slide 34. But will that additional manufacturing capacity be enough? Considering what’s going on with the Patriot missile? No. I don’t think so.

As discussed above, park partnering with Aaron Group in a study related to potentially significantly increasing c two b fabric manufacturing capacity presumably in The US. This is a big deal. Let me just say this. Once we’re our we’re our partnership when a study is done, that’s not the end of the partnership. I don’t think anyway. That’s not what we’re talking about. I’m not gonna say anything more about it, but let me just say it’s a big deal. We covered the arrow three four missile systems last time, so we just kinda covered it again. Not too much here. Last item, updated parts involvement. Remember, we’re we were second source qualified in the r o three.

We weren’t really expecting orders. We got them. We already got them. Our four were sold source qualified on the hour four, which is expected to go into production, think relatively soon. Let’s go on to slide 35. This is really probably the most important slide this whole warrant piece section of the presentation. The above missile programs are just a small representation of critical missile programs parked is supporting or planning to support There are too many programs to iterate here, and many, probably most, are too confidential and sensitive to mention for national security or other reasons. But, you know, this is highlighted or bold whatever you an italics.

But please understand that certain of these programs represent very significant revenue for 36. Major expansions. So I’m just gonna give a quick update here. I know we’re running late, with time, but got a lot to cover here. And like I said, we got new investors, so we couldn’t just skim through things too much. A major new expansion, we talked about this in the of our manufacturing facility. We talked about this in the last February presentations, I believe. So we’re planning a major new expansion of our manufacturing facilities. It could be at Newton, or elsewhere. The plant expansion will include manufacture following lines elution treating, hot melt film, hot melt tape, hypersonic materials manufacturing.

A current estimated capital budget for new manufacturing plant equipment 40 to 45,000,000. That’s gone up. I mean, I forget what we said last quarter, maybe $30.35 to forty. Why’d it go up? Well, we know the line. That extra $5,000,000 is for another line because the requirements keep going up and up and up. It’s quite incredible, So new manufacturing slide three seven, just continuing new manufacturing, major new manufacturing major new expansion of parts manufacturing facilities. Why are we doing this? Are juggernauts required? We have a juggernaut for the aerospace. We have a juggernaut for defense and missile programs. Our long term business forecast requires it.

And the second bullet item under the that check item is that our forecast has increased since we talked to you on July 15. And also have manufacturing capacity needed for park to be parked. Or calling cards. Again, flexibility, responsiveness, urgency. We don’t run a business a mill, meaning that, okay, we campaign and you want something, well, we could figure when maybe a year from December. We don’t run our business that way. Urgency, responsiveness, flexibility. So it’d be really stupid for 38. We’re just continuing on the expansion We’re not sharing our long term business forecast this time. But opportunities for Park are significant. Timing is now.

We must take advantage of the opportunities We must not hesitate or we will squander the end quotes, once in a lifetime opportunities we have sacrificed so much over many years to develop. So this is kind of interesting. There was a board meeting last week and Mark was discussing with the board some of these missile programs and used the term once in a lifetime our opportunities. And the board was really got thought, well, let’s come from Mark. This must be really big. You know? Because Mark is not a guy who’s given to hyperbole. You know? He’s usually a skeptical guy, which is good. You know, you want your president to be skeptical of things.

That was his quote, went to lifetime and the board’s thought, wow. This must be a big thing then. Our objective is to have our expansion plan in place by the end of the calendar year and to be moving into implementation. The implementation phase by or a plan by then. Slide 39. How are doing at Park? Let’s change gears a little bit. I’m sorry. It’s gonna take you so long, but like I said, we’re trying to cover a lot of things here. So what are parks objectives? This is How do we measure success? I think there’s a lot of misunderstanding about this. So let’s talk about it. We measure success.

Our objectives are getting qualified sole source qualified whenever possible on chosen special aerospace programs. These are programs you wanna be on. These are the special programs, the wonderful programs. That’s our success. Once we get qualified on our chosen special programs, our objectives have been achieved. We’re done. Once we’re qualified in those children programs, in italics, all we need to do is support those programs with what? Extreme urgency, flexibility, responsiveness. That’s it. Other than that, it’s up to the program OEMs to determine the side of quickly their programs will ramp. That is not something over which we have control, and it’s not even our concern. We’re in the program. We achieved our objective.

Our objectives has been achieved. Some guy wrote something about you know, we’re shifting blame or mitigation plans, and it’s just kind of a total misunderstanding of how a park and our objectives and how we operate. Once we got in these programs, sole source qualified, our objectives have been realized. And we let’s talk about it. How we done with our objectives? If you ask me, we have been incredibly successful. We’ve gotten on wonderful aerospace programs, a special program that you want to be on. Most of which we can’t mention. You know, you know some of them already, a three twenty,

Mark Esquivel: Wow. Patriot. Wow.

Brian Shore: A lot of them we can’t mention. Slide 40. And we were nobodies when we came into the aerospace industry. We came from nowhere. You know, we welcomed into the industry with open arms. With the entrenched competitors, I don’t think so. They didn’t want us. I mean, they were brought polite and respectful Well, they clearly didn’t want they did not welcome us. We achieved what we achieved against great odds, incredible success, by getting on these programs that are the envy of the industry. From nowhere, nothing. Went into an industry where there’s in aerospace, there’s a lot of entrenchment. People kinda programs, they get very complacent sometimes. That’s not us. We don’t do that. Are we lucky?

If you ask me, we earned everything we got. Are we an overnight success? I don’t think so. There’s been a long and difficult row much sacrifice along the way. It’s a road we chose. Let’s go on to slide 41. I think that’s our last slide. Almost there, folks. Very fortunately for all of us, Park has the courage and conviction. This should be involved because it’s important to stay the course with our principles that are simple but elegant. X strategy in the face of sometimes unrelenting doubts, negativity, and skepticism. Very fortunate of all of us meaning, you know, investors too. Very fortunate that we stood our ground and our knees didn’t buckle.

We did what we thought was right, under know, quite a bit of pressure. Because if we didn’t do that, we wouldn’t be where we are now We wouldn’t be looking at these once in a life lifetime opportunities. Wouldn’t be. And we’d all be we’d all lose out. You know? We’ll lose out. So how are we doing at Park? We believe Park has done a remarkable job of positioning our company to capitalize our thank you, Mark, once in a lifetime opportunities we are now facing. These are unprecedented times. For Park. Okay, operator, so we’re done with our presentation, we have to take any questions at this time.

Operator: Thank you, Mr. Shore. We will now be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line has been You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset pressing the star keys. I see we have a question coming from Nick Ripostella from NR Management. Your line is now live. Please proceed with your question.

Nick Ripostella: Hey. Good afternoon. Once again, nice presentation, nice quarter. And, just a couple of, easy questions. I’ve been thinking about Park and all the exciting things going on. How do you feel about, the need for additional sales personnel or are you feel that everything you have there is adequate? You’ve got so much going on. I’m just wondering, are you covered in that area? Sufficiently? And the second thing is I know you say you’re not prepared at this time to share the long term forecast. So do you think like, sometime next calendar year, you can kind of give people a longer term view of where this company could be and three to five years.

You know, there’s so many things that are blossoming. You know? You truly are a growth company, but and then the third thing is and I know this is not your primary function, obviously, but you must be on the radars of, firms out here to pick up research coverage. You know? There’s so much research out there now by niche firms, and you have such a great story. I was just wondering if anything’s happening in that regard. Thank you so much.

Brian Shore: Thanks, Nick. Thanks for your questions. So let’s take them in order. Additional salespeople, you know, I think Mark, you can chime in. We’ve learned a lot over the last twenty years, and I think our view on salespeople is a little bit skeptical. I couldn’t refer to have additional technical people, engineering people, in terms of getting more business. We certainly have our hands full of what we have already, but we’re always interested in new opportunities, new opportunities. They’re coming pretty fast and furious. But they’re not coming because of salespeople.

They’re coming because you know, it’s a small industry, particularly in the fence side, and we have close ties with a lot of the OEMs and the military as well. So the work gets out pretty quickly. The important thing is we have engineering people to support those activities rather than salespeople that go get those the business. And I’m not sure that really works anyway. I don’t think that I don’t know. Mark chime in. The typical OEMs really are that interested in you know, the guy bringing donuts and a slick salesman. More interested in what you can do, how you can help us.

And that’s gonna be more of an engineering discussion, or it could be a supply chain discussion. Okay. No. How can you support us in terms of providing a product to us? But the you know, I don’t know. I’m a little skeptical about whether additional salespeople are we wanna talk about at this point. Why don’t we Mark, why don’t you chime in? I’ll take the other two, questions, but why don’t you chime in if you have anything wanna add to that, my answer on that question.

Mark Esquivel: Yeah, Brian. I think you’re correct. I mean, we work really close with the technical and engineering folks and kinda goes back to our strategy too. They have priorities, and they need to get projects And, you know, we work directly with them and help them develop, you know, new programs and products. And that really helps us get business more so than the traditional, like you said, Brian, going to the supply chain people bringing donuts. A little different, you know, in our industry. It’s more technical, more engineering driven. And if you’re satisfying you know, those groups, you know, that’s how the business usually comes our way.

Brian Shore: Yeah. Good. Thank you. Yeah. I think a lot of times it come it comes to us rather than we go into it. You know? But, you know, is a real kinda small, close in industry, and people know where to find us. Long term forecast, I understand. Understand why you’re asking that. I think what we’ll try to do in Q3 is provide some information a little bit like, a little reluctant because I think the number is gonna be shocking. To our investors.

Nick Ripostella: I want some nice shopping.

Brian Shore: Yeah. Okay. Well, let’s see we can let’s see what we can do to give you more perspective, quantitative perspective. When we announce Q3. Okay? Would that be alright? And we’ll work on that. I’m not saying we’ll give you a hard, like, three or four year forecast, but there’s something that, you know, you could sink your teeth into a little bit more. And the research, you know, we’re here. I mean, they were know where to find us, so we’d be happy to be covered. Like I said, Nick, not really our principal focus, but we’d be happy to be covered. And, you know, if anybody’s interested, I’m happy to talk to them.

I think we are seeing a lot more visibility in the last few months or so. So we’ll see what happens. I don’t believe there’s anything imminent where somebody’s about to pick us up right now. We’re very open to pick to being covered. So, hopefully, those that is when

Nick Ripostella: when the revenue doubles from here, then they’ll come around. You know? That’s that’s the way it happens a lot. But Maybe

Brian Shore: Yeah. Maybe you’re right. Any other questions you have, Nick, or does that cover it?

Nick Ripostella: No. Thank you so much. And you know, it’s it’s glad to see that all the hard work, you know, the stock has caught lightning in the bottle after the last quarter, and it’s good. It’s night it’s a nice thing to see hard work appreciated and reflected in the value. You know? It must make all the employees and everybody feel good and the investors, obviously. But so thank you. Sure.

Brian Shore: It’s a good thing. Thank you very much for input, Nick. Operator, do we have any other questions?

Operator: Currently, there are no further questions at this time. Oh, I actually see one just popping in by Chris Showers. Private investor. Chris, your line will be unmuted. Please proceed with your question.

Chris Showers: Hi. Thank you. Brian, just, I guess, two questions. You mentioned the c two b material being a sixty forty lower to higher margin mix. When the Patriot missile gets ramped up, will that be constant, or can you get a higher mix there with the higher revenue converted material.

Brian Shore: So I’ll I’ll answer that. So what’s going on here is they’re stockpiling. Stockpiling. And that’s why there’s the ratio was not really balanced. At the end of the day, though, there will be a certain amount of c two b fab that’s required to make the c two b material. But at the end of the day, it all has kinda even out. You know? Right now, the OEMs are stockpiling Why? Because they’re nervous. They want as much as they can get. Because they see where the, you know, where the future is going, and they’re not stopping. You know. They’re gonna keep stockpiling, I think.

But eventually, you know, their plan is not to just have that stuff sitting in their factory, of course. It for us to produce the material that’s used to make the rockinized materials for the rock nozzle structures for the Patriot missile system.

Chris Showers: Okay. And is there timing on that where you think that might pick up? This calendar year?

Brian Shore: Yeah. I think as Mark alluded to, you know, we had this issue with the recall, and that was slowing down our a lot, you know, our ability to produce the materials, the c two b materials. The recall is pretty much complete now. So we think that’s gonna open things up quite a bit. Even in the next quarter. I mean I mean, even this quarter, I think. So we’ll see. We’ll see. You know, with aerospace, probably most industries, though, Chris, the demand is there, but you that the supply chain can’t turn everything on a dime.

We can, but there’s a lot of other, you know, steps along the way in the supply chain in order to be able to ramp up. Like with a three twenty, you know, we could support 75 airplanes a month at this point if they needed it, but and Airbus would like to be a 75 airplanes for a month. I’m quite sure of that. What’s holding you back is the supply chain. The supply chain is not able to turn on a dime.

Chris Showers: Okay. Thank you.

Brian Shore: Was there another question, Chris?

Chris Showers: No.

Brian Shore: Oh, good. Okay. Operator, anything else right now?

Operator: There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Shore for any closing comments.

Brian Shore: Okay. Well, Brian again here. Thank you very much for listening in. Sorry the call went so long. If you have any other questions, you wanna call us anytime. We’re happy to talk to you. Have a great day. Thank you. Bye.

Operator: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation. This does conclude today’s teleconference. Please disconnect your lines, and have a wonderful day.

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